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By
Sterling
Whitaker, 2008
Bobby
Kimball is a veteran of more than thirty years in the trenches
of the music business, much of it as the lead singer for the
multi-platinum group Toto. Born in 1947, Kimball began singing
and playing piano as a child, and by the Seventies he was
playing in a succession of groups in and around New Orleans,
including a stint in LeRoux. Bobby was also the lead
singer/keyboard player in S.S. Fools for its self-titled album
in 1976.
Kimball
moved to Los Angeles and auditioned for a new group that was
forming around some of the most respected session players from
the LA scene, auditioning with his original song “You Are The
Flower”, which the other musicians liked so much that it wound
up being included on their first album together. Dubbing the
group Toto, the musicians released a self-titled album in 1977
to immediate success with the hit single “Hold the Line”.
The next
two albums, Hydra and Turn Back, were less
successful, and by the time Toto released its fourth album in
1982, the band's career was at stake. One more failure could
have spelled the death of the band's recording career, but the
music business is unpredictable, and a handful of hit singles
drove Toto IV to multi-platinum status. Toto IV
went on to win multiple Grammy awards, with “Rosanna” as Record
of the Year, and “Africa” became a #1 hit in many countries.
The band
was flying perhaps a little bit too high, as problems with
drugs and interpersonal tensions resulted in Kimball's firing
from Toto in 1984 during the recording of Isolation. That
album marked a downward turn in Toto's commercial fortunes, and
the band soldiered on in various lineups while Kimball spent the
next fifteen years recording solo albums and singing sessions
overseas.
In 1998
Kimball returned to Toto for a series of shows to commemorate
the group's 20th anniversary, and in 1999 he returned
to the studio with Toto to record Mindfields, followed by
a successful tour. The group has been working steadily ever
since, releasing albums like 2002's Through The Looking Glass
and 2006's Falling In Between, which fans and critics
alike hailed as a return to form.
I spoke
to Bobby Kimball on February 14th, 2008 by phone from
his home in Los Angeles. Toto had been touring in support of
Falling In Between for most of two years, which resulted in
the forthcoming live CD/DVD project titled, appropriately
enough, Falling In Between Live. Kimball is clearly proud
of the new release, as well as his history with Toto, but he's
also very candid and has a sense of humor about the ups and
downs of his roller coaster career with the band that made him
famous. The day we spoke he was suffering from a serious allergy
attack that was apparent in his voice, but Kimball didn't let
that stop him from giving one of the most entertaining
interviews I have ever had the pleasure of conducting.
Sterling: Am I catching you at the right time?
Bobby: Of
course. (Laughs).There is no wrong time.
Sterling: Great. You'd be surprised how often these things get
set up and then I call and they say, “Who the hell is this?”
Bobby:
(Laughs). The thing about it is, I woke up this morning with
an allergy attack. I'm allergic to desert plants, and around
this time of year it just drives me crazy. Something you've just
got to live with. (Laughs). Or die with.
Sterling: Where am I talking to you?
Bobby:
I'm at home in Los Angeles.
Sterling: That's not the best place for allergies, is it?
Bobby:
There is no good place for allergies. (Laughs).
Trust me on that.
Sterling: How does that work with touring, being in and out of
so many different climates so often? That has to be
challenging.
Bobby: We
just got back from Mexico, and since I'm allergic to most desert
plants . . . you know, Mexico is desert. So that was
pretty rough.
Sterling: How do you sing when you're in that kind of shape? How
do you get around that?
Bobby:
You actually use a different voice to sing than you do to talk.
Sometimes when I can't talk, I can still sing. Pretty wild, huh?
(Laughs).
Sterling: Yes. What kind of a regimen do you follow while you're
out performing, in trying to protect your voice?
Bobby: I
get off the stage and I go to bed, and I drink tons of water. I
just really take care of my health while I'm on the road. You
have to.
Sterling: Tell me about this new project, Falling In Between
Live. It's the culmination of a really long tour, is that
right?
Bobby:
Since February of 2006.
Sterling: So that's a couple of years of touring.
Bobby: It
won't end until the end of March, or the very beginning of
April.
Sterling: Why such a long tour?
Bobby: It
was a great album. (Laughs). End of story.
Sterling: A lot of people regarded that record as sort of a
comeback, even though that's kind of a silly term for a band
that's been around as long as Toto.
Bobby: We
went into the studio with no songs and jammed, and we recorded
everything. At the end of the day we would put it together, find
the best parts that were verses, the best parts that were
choruses, and with the tools that you have today you can match
these things together. Then they would make me a CD of it, bring
it home and work on the lyrics, or Luke or somebody would bring
it home and work on the lyrics. I've got about a three-foot
stack of lyrics here that got rejected. (Laughs). It
takes about sixteen or eighteen hours to put some lyrics
together. It takes them about two minutes to say, “Nah!”
Sterling: Were you surprised at the great reception the record
ended up getting? It's the biggest success the band has had in a
long time.
Bobby: We
were. In this day and age, where people are recording in their
garages, and a big-selling album is fifty thousand . . .
(Laughs). When we started out, they were selling two or
three million before the release of the record. So we were
pretty astounded by the reaction. We have great fans, and they
really came to the table on this one.
Sterling: Congratulations on the success of it. You actually had
a little bit of critical respect this time, too, which generally
hasn't been the way of things for Toto. What do you attribute
that to?
Bobby: We
didn't know how to react at first, because we're the band
everyone loves to hate. (Laughs). The media. And we were
getting good reviews. We were going, “What are we doing wrong?”
(Laughs).
Sterling: I read an interview with Steve the other day, and he
was talking about getting such terrible reviews. What's your
take on that? Why did it go that way? The band initially was
nominated for a bunch of Grammys, and it comprises some of the
most respected individual players in the business. Why such
harsh reviews?
Bobby:
For the most part the critics, they really needed to hold a
position. It's kinda like Simon Cowell on American Idol. A lot
of times I'll see a singer on there that I think really rips it
out and does a great job, and he'll come up with some sort of
idiotic critique that maybe has something to do with the way the
person looks, or a move that they made or whatever, but their
voice is still killer. I think he does it just because he wants
to flex that muscle, and I do believe that in certain instances
our early critics were doing the same thing.
Sterling: At a certain point it becomes self-perpetuating.
Bobby:
Yeah. Other critics that respected those critics just followed
suit.
Sterling: It's interesting to note that most of the bands that
go on to the longest and most commercially successful careers
get knocked by critics.
Bobby:
We've actually gotten bad critiques because the band sounded too
good. (Laughs).
Sterling. Really?!
Bobby:
Yeah. (Laughs). Wait a minute! This doesn't make any
sense to me.
Sterling: Do you mean that critics have said that Toto is too
slick-sounding, too professional?
Bobby:
Yeah, it's too smooth, it needs some dirt on it.
Sterling: Of course, these are the same people that turn around
and give The Damned a good review.
Bobby: I
remember one thing in LA Weekly, that Sunday calendar.
They had a half-page on us, with the page split diagonally, and
they were comparing Toto to The Clash. (Laughs). And they
gave them such a great review, and they acted like we had gone
out and shot the Pope. (Laughs). You know, I really don't
get this. It's like comparing bananas to apples.
Sterling: It's a pointless comparison, because there's no common
ground there.
Bobby:
None whatsoever. I'm not putting The Clash down or anything, but
it's two totally different leagues of music.
Sterling: Sure, with one being more attitude-based, I would say.
I don't think you could reasonably compare the members of The
Clash as musicians or singers to the members of Toto. That would
be crazy.
Bobby:
Yeah. Name their songs for me! (Laughs).
Sterling: (Laughing) Right, they really just had one
“sort of” hit that the average person might know.
Bobby: I
hated that whole [critical] scenario.
Sterling: What's ahead for Toto right now?
Bobby:
We're going, we leave the 27th of this month to go to
New Zealand, Australia, all of the Far East, Malaysia, Japan,
and at the moment we're getting rumblings that we might go to
Korea, the Philippines and China.
Sterling: Those are some markets most bands don't really do.
Bobby:
We're really big over there. We're like the Beatles in Tokyo.
Japan loves Toto.
Sterling: So even when things were a little bit cooler in
America, you've always been able to have a career.
Bobby:
Our career in America is a little bit lackluster. We make most
of our money by going to Europe, Scandinavia, South America,
Australia, the Far East and Asia.
Sterling: Is it because we have so many cultural choices here as
compared with other places?
Bobby:
They look for the flavor of the day here, and we're not that
kind of band. We are what we are; well-rehearsed, some of the
best musicians on the planet all rolled up in one band. I guess
that's something to criticize. (Laughs).
Sterling: What songs on this new live recording do you think
exemplify your best vocal performances?
Bobby: I
really like “Falling In Between”, “No End In Sight”, and I love
Luke's vocal on “Bottom of Your Soul”. The whole album is good.
Sterling: I actually just finished watching the DVD, and it
really is very, very good.
Bobby:
(Incredulously) You watched the DVD?!
Sterling: Yeah, they sent it to me a couple of days ago.
Bobby:
You have a DVD . . the Paris DVD?
Sterling: (Oblivious) Yeah, Falling In Between Live,
sure.
Bobby:
(Laughing) I don't even have one!
Sterling: (Laughing) Give me your address, I'll send you
this one!
Bobby:
Yeah, burn me a copy! (Laughs).
Sterling: (Laughing) It's not a fully packaged version,
it's really just a burned copy, actually, but I got it in the
mail a couple of days ago.
Bobby:
That's unbelievable.
Sterling: (Still laughing) I can't believe you haven't
seen it, that's crazy.
Bobby:
Yeah, I just have a rough of the whole performance from a couple
of days after the gig.
Sterling: This looks like the whole edited deal, just without
the packaging. The release for this is early April, is that
right?
Bobby:
Management keeps telling us some time in March, but it's very
possible it's early April. You're the one with the DVD!
(Laughs).
Sterling: (Laughing) Yeah, what do you know,
right? You're only in the band. Hey, if you get hold of
[publicist] Carol Kaye, she can send you one, because she sent
me this!
Bobby:
Yeah, usually the band is the bottom of the food chain.
Sterling: Well, this really is very good, I watched it just
about an hour ago.
Bobby: We
had a great time. It was just a one-shot night.
Sterling: Is this really live as it happened, or did you go in
and do some fixes?
Bobby: I
went into the studio . . . on the live Amsterdam record I did
no vocal fixes, but [with this] there were a couple of things
that I wanted to do a little better, and I mean minute changes.
So I went in, and there were a couple of things that felt a
little out of tune. I re-sang those, and Luke made a couple of
little guitar fixes, and we beefed up the background vocals, but
that's it. That's a live night. And it's only one night. Most
bands will take six to eight nights and compile them.
Sterling: You mean choose the best take of different songs from
different nights and put them together?
Bobby:
Yes. But Toto is that kind of band. We can go in and kill it in
one night.
Sterling: Of course, every name musician on the planet has been
in Toto at one time or another. (Laughs). Steve talked in
a recent interview about the revolving doors of Toto. How many
times have you been in and out of the band?
Bobby: I
was fired in 1984, right before 1985, and I was out of the band
until the beginning of 1998.
Sterling: What brought about your firing?
Bobby: We
were all getting a little bit stupid with drugs. I think
everyone in the band was not really hitting on all cylinders.
Doesn't it sound like a drug decision to fire the lead singer
right after you win seven Grammys? (Laughs). It really
wasn't a good move!
Sterling: It did herald a significant commercial downturn for
Toto.
Bobby:
Yeah, it did.
Sterling: Why, after so many years, did the opportunity come
around for you to re-join?
Bobby: I
think it's probably because everyone just went through a lot,
and cleaned up their act. After Jeff [Porcaro] died, a lot of
the wounds were healed. They asked me to come and do five dates
with them in Europe; just kinda get together and have a little
fun, go over old times, and it was so successful that when we
got back, they asked me to do the Mindfields album, which
was a good album for us, too. And the tour also was successful.
So the rest is kinda history. We've been having good success
since then.
Sterling: You've been back for about a decade now.
Bobby: I
have.
Sterling: What were you doing in the years in between?
Bobby: I
lived in Europe for a while, and I was cutting solo CDs over
there in Europe, and doing a lot of studio work; constantly in
search of a band that was as good as Toto, but there's not one.
(Laughs). I looked everywhere!
Sterling: Steve in a recent interview said he looks around the
stage some nights and thinks, 'It's amazing, but is it Toto?'
What's your take on that?
Bobby:
The thing about it is, I look around the stage and I think about
how the band started, and where it is now and how it sounds now,
and actually the band sounds better than ever right at this
moment. We have such a quality control of the sound that I think
maybe we traded up in musicians. The original Toto was
absolutely a wonderful band, but when you listen to it now, the
quality level has not gone down. It's gone up.
Sterling: How many people have taken part in the band over its
career?
Bobby:
Wow, that's a question you'll have to ask Luke. (Laughs).
I was gone for fifteen years. They went through at least six
singers after I wasn't in the band. It takes a lot of guts to
sing with this band, I gotta tell you. You walk on stage with
these guys, you'd better be ready for anything.
Sterling: These are not the easiest vocal parts, either. These
are very, very rangy songs.
Bobby:
Oh my God, yeah. It doesn't let up throughout the whole set.
Sterling: One thing I always notice is that you sing some
extremely high parts in lots of different spots.
Bobby:
It's not easy when we do eight gigs in a row.
Sterling: Do you sing scales daily to keep in that shape? How do
you stay at that level other than just resting and drinking lots
of water?
Bobby: I
use a method called Speech Level Singing, and I really don't
sing any louder than I talk. It's Seth Riggs' method, and he's
one of the best in the business for coaches. I probably need to
go see him now to get this allergy thing out of the way. I'll be
fine in a day or so, it's just I woke up this morning and I
could hardly breathe and could hardly talk. But I have to keep a
steady regimen of sleep, drinking a lot of water, I warm up
before I sing, and I go out and push hard to achieve the notes,
but no harder than when I talk, and I keep my voice on the
road. A lot of singers don't know that.
Sterling: A lot of singers in rock bands are not properly
trained singers at all.
Bobby:
Yeah. You need to use all of the tools available.
Sterling: Tell me about the name Toto. I know Steve has said
that he dislikes the name, and he fears that “Here Lies Mr.
Toto” is going to be on his tombstone . .
Bobby:
Sterling, there's a fifty dollar fine for that question.
(Laughs). Actually, Jeff Porcaro and David Paich were
watching The Wizard of Oz, and when they saw the little
dog, they thought it was a catchy name. That's where it came
from. That's the truth.
Sterling: There's been so many different things printed about
it; it's supposed to be Latin for “everything” . . .
Bobby: We
found seventeen connotations for the name. In Swahili It means
“child”. In Japan it's a toilet. (Laughs).
Sterling: (Laughing) As a matter of fact, when I went to
do some research for this article, I found all that stuff! I put
“Toto” in Google and all this toilet manufacturing stuff came
up.
Bobby:
There's a comedian I think in Italy called Toto. We've found
different meanings all over the place. But the original name is
related to the dog.
Sterling: What would you want your epitaph to say if you could
write it yourself?
Bobby:
Wow. That's something I don't even want to think about!
(Laughs). I would want some really good friend to write my
epitaph. None of my enemies!
Sterling: Since there's so much that can go wrong in a live
concert production, I always like to ask performers about their
Spinal Tap moments.
Bobby: In
1983 I jumped a speaker on stage in Nashville, TN. The speaker
rolled, and I came down and I broke my knee really bad. No one
in Nashville would touch it because it was such a bad break. It
was right in the middle of a tour, so we had to fly in a sports
specialist from New York. We had a gig in Knoxville the next
night, and they put me in an electric wheelchair, and gave me
shots of morphine right into my knee. So I was tearing around
the stage in an electric wheelchair (laughs), screaming
all the lines. It must have been the funniest thing in the
world.
Sterling: Is there any footage of that anywhere?
Bobby: My
God, I hope not! (Laughs). No actually, I'd love to have
some, because I'd be a definite You Tube star.
Sterling: That would be great to see. That's hysterical.
Probably not so much at the time, but in retrospect.
Bobby:
You know what, it was a great gig, actually. We had a great
time, because the band was laughing so hard. Me because I'd had
a shot of morphine, and them because it was a funny moment. We
did not miss one gig. I was in the hospital after the Knoxville
gig, and the sports specialist worked nine hours on my knee. It
took me one day to get up on crutches, and I flew to New York,
and we played Binghampton, New York. I sat down at the piano for
the rest of that tour. We played Europe, and I had a cast on my
knee for six months. It's fun playing with this band, but that
was a painful, painful tour.
Sterling: Just the access to flights and hotels and everything
would be difficult.
Bobby:
You've got to learn to take a bath in different hotels every
day, because you can't get a cast wet. We were over in Europe,
and they've got some of the weirdest plumbing in the world over
there, so trying to take a bath was one of the toughest things
for me.
Sterling: When you're in a cast for that long, your leg
atrophies as well, is that right?
Bobby:
Yes it does. You do a lot of therapy. I had to do a lot of leg
exercises. They took the first cast off within two weeks and
told me they were going to put a hinged cast on so I could start
bending my knee. And when they took the cast off, they had my
leg up on a pillow, and he moved it about a quarter of an inch,
and I told him, “Put that shit back on!” (Laughs). “I
don't want another cast!” That was the most painful thing. But
they put the hinged cast on, and eventually it did start
helping.
Sterling: That reminds me of the old saying, “The show must go
on.” Why does that mindset exist?
Bobby:
Well, I had two choices: we could have canceled the tour and I
would have been sitting at home looking at this cast, or I could
be out on the road playing. And really, I couldn't let the band
down either. I would have felt really bad about that. So I chose
the high road and toughed it out.
Sterling: It seems to me, just from my experience interviewing
people, that there are two kinds of performers. There are those
who really, really take to the road and love it, and there are
those who appear devastated by having to travel that much and
get out there and do it every night. And Toto has obviously
become a touring machine in the past few years.
Bobby: We
have, and I love touring more than ever. I really do. People ask
me, “Are you scared up on stage, or nervous?” No, I'm nervous
off stage. It bothers me to be off stage. (Laughs).
Sterling: The travel has to be difficult. Do you travel more by
plane, or by bus?
Bobby:
Yes. (Laughs). It's about fifty-fifty. When we go to
Europe, usually we bus it everywhere. When you go from country
to country, sometimes you might go two weeks and wake up in a
different country every day. That's wild, and it's really hard.
You're working about twenty-two hours a day, and then you get a
break going on stage and playing two hours. But the travel sure
is work, especially now if you're flying, with the security
measures and everything. It makes it ten times harder.
Sterling: Do you find that in the wake of 911 and with the war
that's going on, that Americans are a little bit less
well-received in the rest of the world in the current climate?
Bobby:
Absolutely. Absolutely. There's a decline in everything
in America, when you get right down to it. The dollar's going
down in flames. I saw a thing on TV the other day about the Euro
possibly becoming the international currency now. But so many of
the political choices that got made have really turned a lot of
people in Europe and other parts of the world, it's really
turned heads in a bad way toward America. And I hate to see
that, because it used to be a lot different. America was the
shining star, and to me it still is, but in other people's
opinion around the world, it's not that good.
Sterling: That's what I keep hearing from everyone I know who
travels out of the country a lot.
Bobby:
Yeah, you really have to go and see it firsthand.
Sterling: Part of it seems to be our own lack of perception
about our own country. I watch the BBC news as well as our
stateside news, and it's shocking to me how differently the
events in America are portrayed elsewhere, when they cut through
the biases of differing networks and just tell what's going on.
Bobby:
Yeah, well I'll tell you some bad news, is that CNN is in every
hotel I go to in Europe. Everywhere in the world. We just came
back from Mexico and South America, and CNN is the only US thing
happening. And they have it in the other language too. It's
kinda scary to watch CNN in another country and see some of the
things that are happening in America.
Sterling: It doesn't affect your bottom line, ticket-sales wise,
but it's got to affect the perception.
Bobby:
The world opinion is what gets affected. But we're there as
special guests when we go, and we always get treated well. We've
never run across any bad vibes because of any political
situation. We've always tried to stay non-political, because
we're musicians. I'm not a politician, and I'm not representing
our political views here in America. I'm representing Toto.
Sterling: And music is for everybody.
Bobby:
Yeah. Unfortunately some of the choices that got made in this
past decade have been some really bad choices, and a lot of the
rest of the world is not so agreeable with those choices.
Unfortunately.
Sterling: What do you think it would take to get us back on
track?
Bobby:
Well, we've got a shot at voting. (Laughs). I'm not sure
if they're gonna count it right. And that's all I want to say
about that. You know, computer hackers, biased people counting
the votes, all of that . . . I don't know.
Sterling: Speaking of technology and its pitfalls - and on
another subject - what's your position on Pro Tools and all of
these programs that singers are using to fix their vocals, not
only in the studio but in live real time?
Bobby: I
love tools, because they open up possibilities, but I hate it
that they open up possibilities to people that don't know how
to do it. It only makes what I do better, because it gives me
more possibilities. Simon Phillips is our engineer when we
record, and when we did the Through The Looking Glass CD,
I sang six vocals and he did a composite of all those six
vocals, and when I came back in the next day and he played it
for me, it took me two weeks to learn my own vocal!
Sterling: But that's just comping what was there, that's not
making a non-singer sound like he can sing.
Bobby:
Right, it was all me.
Sterling: What I'm referring to is people who go in and set
tuning parameters for notes they can't hit, and auto-tune
everything.
Bobby:
That's really stupid, to do something on a CD that you can't do
live. I really dislike that. Before, what they would do is bring
in the A players and record an album, and then plug it into a
band and let them go tour, and a lot of times the band couldn't
play the album. I find that just ludicrous. You'd better do
your homework before you go on tour, because people are
listening now.
Sterling: What do you think about the Internet as a tool for
bands? I frequent some of the message boards and I know every
band gets reviewed and debated endlessly. What's it like for you
as an artist to get commented on in third person? Do you read
any of that?
Bobby:
Oh, I read it. I have an email address that comes directly to my
web page, and I answer all those mails, and I get critiqued all
the time. My deal is, everyone on the fucking planet has a bad
night. (Laughs). You just can't be on every night. I do
make mistakes; I hit flat notes, I hit sharp notes, and you
can't fix it live. I don't want one of those tuning machines on
stage with me. But just rest assured that I'm doing my absolute
best every night. If it comes out bad according to whoever, and
they have a beef with that, I always invite them to come on up
and show me how to do it better. (Laughs). You
take the mic, motherfucker! (Laughs).
I have no
problem with being critiqued. I'm not afraid of it. I do what I
do very well, and to myself I'm always giving a hundred percent.
If somebody's got a problem with that, come on up and show me
how to do it. (Laughs). I've had no takers so far.
Sterling: It seems like the anonymity of the Internet really
emboldens people who probably can't back up what they say in
real life.
Bobby:
Yeah, you can hide behind that shit all you want. But like I
said, I've had no takers. Nobody wants to come up and take a
shot at the champ! (Laughs).
Sterling: Steve implied recently that he thinks the end of Toto
may be coming up.
Bobby:
Well, that's very possible. I'm doing a solo album right now,
which I really love. He's got his album coming, and he'll be
doing a tour. It's time for a little break. We've been touring
for two and a half years, and we need to step away from the
plate for a little while and see how much we miss each other.
Sterling: This goes back to the question about touring by bus;
how do you look at the same people in your face all the time and
not want to absolutely kill them?
Bobby:
(Laughs). We argue like a family, you know? But like a
family, we all love each other. The more you know somebody, the
more you know their little ticks. (Laughs). So you just
deal with them.
Sterling: So you have to make a conscious choice not to push
somebody's buttons.
Bobby:
Yeah, of course. You don't want to pick a fight. I don't want
to pick a fight. I just roll with the punches. I'm not gonna let
anybody get in my face, but I'm not gonna stand up and argue
with somebody over some bullshit that doesn't mean anything.
Sterling: And as you get older, I assume you understand the
other people in the band better?
Bobby:
Absolutely. Like I said, you learn all the things that do push
their buttons. I want to go out and have a good time. I want it
to be fun for me, fun for them, fun for the crowd, and if you're
constantly embattled by the people you're trying to work with,
it all turns to no good.
As far as
it being the end of Toto, I never say never. We might be on a
hiatus. Who knows? Only the future can tell.
Sterling: If it did turn out that these upcoming shows were the
last ones you ever did with Toto, how would you want the band
and your contribution to it to be remembered?
Bobby: As
one of the most kick ass bands on the planet. Each and every one
of the guys in this group is one of the best at what they do,
and we have it all together in one band. And I think that may be
one of the downfalls of Toto (laughs), because each and
every one of us can have a solo career and be successful at it,
but it's all grouped together in one jar with Toto.
I want it
to be remembered as a group that changed a lot of people. It
changed all of us, and affected the world. And we had a great
fucking time doing it! (Laughs).
Sterling: Is there anything else you want to say about
Falling In Between Live?
Bobby: I
think it's one of our best efforts, and when I'm falling, I
want to land on a good spot. (Laughs). And like I said,
never say never about the end, because there's no way to predict
that. If I knew what was going to happen, I would be investing
in the stock market and betting on horses! (Laughs).
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