By Jeb Wright
Twenty years have passed since the Black Crowes hit
the rock scene, bringing with them a mixture of American
roots rock and British Invasion blues. The Crowes have
ridden a wave of success that has been marred by the
rough seas of inner turmoil and brotherly fighting. They
hit it big, went away for a few years, came back and
jammed with Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page and have now
released a CD of all acoustic versions of their music
titled Crowology. The album features new twists
to old classics and fan favorites. Where most bands
would not be able to pull off a project like this, The
Black Crowes make it look easy.
Classic Rock Revisited sat down with founding member and
drummer Steve Gorman to discuss the new album, the
upcoming hiatus the band it taking and if this is indeed
the end of the band or if Brothers Robinson & Company
will come back refreshed in a few years, ready to do it
all again.
Jeb: This is a bittersweet interview because I love
the new CD but I hate that we will be talking about
another hiatus.
Steve: We have been pounding it hard for last six
years. We have done this long enough that we can tell
when everyone is starting to get a little frayed at the
edges. We feel like we are really in synch right now but
we know we would not feel like that if we worked another
year.
Jeb: Was Crowology more to do with the 20th
anniversary of the band or more about the upcoming
hiatus?
Steve: It was for the 20th anniversary. We
were sitting around thinking about how we can celebrate
and acknowledge the fact we made it two decades. We're
not the kind of band to set off a confetti bomb and talk
about how the first time we were in Topeka we got drunk
at the museum. We just play music. We just thought that
people probably want more music from us for the
anniversary.
Twenty years is just a way that we use to mark the
time period, not just about Crowes music. When we were
doing this album I was actually thinking that the first
time I played a particular song I had never heard of
Bill Clinton, the Berlin Wall was still in place and
Tiananmen Square had not yet happened. It means
different things to different people but we knew that
our fans would want another album and more shows from us
so that is what we gave him.
Jeb: The Black Crowes are a band that has always done
what they wanted to do. People call you rock, jam band
and this, that and the other. You are not easy to
pigeonhole.
Steve: Labels tried to pigeonhole us. What labels
have been good at doing are shortening careers and
killing artist development. People are always going to
attach labels to you. It has been very important for us
to not allow people to label us and even more important
for us to not label ourselves. It would be very easy to
go around and say, “We are the 'Hard to Handle' band,
lets do a whole lot of songs just like that.”
In 1987, when we were unsigned, unpopular and, truth
be told, not very good at all, we were still changing
every month. We would write one song and get rid of
another one. We were never very good at fitting in. We
didn't go out and try to get a record deal. We just
figured we would do it our way and eventually we would
get a record deal and see what happens. Even now, if I
am doing a session as a drummer in Nashville, there is
usually a mindset that you wonder who you are doing this
for and who will be doing this with you. We never
thought about those things at all on any level. We never
thought that Geffen was signing rock bands and we never
even thought that MTV was playing rock videos. We just
did what we did.
Jeb: Are you saying you grew grass roots?
Steve: It’s funny because we weren't even growing.
There is a lot to be said for having focus and having
goals but in our case there is a lot to be said about
having none of those. Once we made Shake Your Money
Maker – once we stayed in the studio doing demos and
made the record we always wanted to make – then we had a
bit of a focus. We threw everything at that thing and we
had a producer who helped us in every way possible. We
made that record two months before we had a contract to
sign. We would talk to guys at the record company and
they would tell us that we needed to build a regional
fan base. We said, “Screw that. Just put us on tour with
someone.” We didn't have a regional fan base. No one in
the clubs in Atlanta wanted to hear that kind of music;
they wanted to hear new wave or hair metal. We knew
there was a bigger playing field out there and we just
knew we had to get there. It was like we hit a single in
A ball and we said, “Let's go to the big
leagues.” We were able to get on a couple of national
tours and that helped us. Rock radio also used to mean
something and we got a lot of support from them. We did
the opposite of the Dave Matthews Band, which had a huge
fan base, regionally, before they had a deal. We didn't
have anything like that at all.
Jeb: You remade these songs acoustically. I thought
it was going to be full of ballads but there is a lot of
great rocking tunes on this thing.
Steve: Acoustic doesn't need to mean introspective.
To me, and I have said this for twenty years, the one
song, if I was told that I could only listen to one song
for the rest of my life, would be “Every Picture Tells a
Story” by Rod Stewart. There is not an electric guitar
on that track but that song encapsulates everything a
rock song should have. You can also talk about The
Stones Beggars Banquet and Led Zeppelin III.
Jeb: Was making this album difficult or was it a
fairly easy ride?
Steve: There were a few songs that we tried that
didn't work but it was a fairly easy ride. When you are
in the studio you are usually recording new material and
you go, “I think I know where this song goes. I think I
remember this new arrangement.” This time around we knew
the songs backwards and forwards. We also knew that
people already liked these songs. The trick was to make
interpretations of these songs that people would find
interesting. It was really easy to tell if things were
going to work or not. We didn't have to think about how
a song would go, we would just have to think about what
flavor we wanted to add to it.
Jeb: You did a good job on this album on taking the
songs to a new place but not to a foreign place.
Steve: “Remedy” is funkier than the original. When
you take away the electric guitar then there is room to
fill in with other things. I am not playing off of the
tone of an electric guitar so it is going to change. If
this song is on in the background then one will go “Oh,
I like that song” but if you want to dig deeper and see
all the differences then there is plenty to do on that
level too. These are not things we discussed in a liner
fashion but they were subconsciously on our minds.
Jeb: Crowology is a cool album and I hope I can turn
some people onto it. Other bands have tried stuff like
this and it comes off silly but you guys did it right. I
really enjoy it.
Steve: We wanted to do a retrospective but it had to
be current too. It had to be something that we dug and I
think we accomplished it.
Jeb: Is it fair to say that The Black Crowes have
survived in spite of themselves?
Steve: I would say that. In a lot of ways it is crazy
that we are still here. People ask us what the secret is
and I really have no idea. When Rich and Chris and I
started playing together I was the old man at age
twenty-one. Most guys that age are in the army or they
have a job or they are in college. The first experience
after your home life is at that age and you set some
pretty strong bonds at that time.
At a time where some kids are pledging allegiance to
a frat house or other guys are asking where you want
that refrigerator, we were in a band. We can't compare
what we do with the army but we had each other’s back
and we wanted to be a great band. We took for granted a
lot of the success that we had because it was just not
that important to us. Don't get me wrong, I would like
to make a lot more money than I do because it would help
me sleep better at night. I don't want a new car or new
stuff; none of that had ever been that important to us.
Chris had a very high profile marriage for a while but
you didn't see him celebrating life on the red carpet at
night.
We are totally the geeks who want to listen to
records and play music. You can have fun along the way
but nothing every became more important than the band.
Even the fights were never more important than the band.
After all of these years we know each other’s stories
better than the guy who actually lived the story. I am
the youngest of eight kids. Chris and Rich know my
family very well. You get to know each other so well
that you start to get in each other’s pockets and you
can drive each other crazy. This break that is coming up
is because we don't want to drive each other crazy. We
can go away for a couple of years and make people want
to come see us again. We actually have people who come
to see us year after year and I think even they need a
break from us for a while.
Jeb: I have a friend who is a huge Black Crowes fan
and he said the last song on the CD, “Bad Luck Blue Eyes
Goodbye” is a code that you are breaking up forever.
Steve: We have not discussed in any way, shape or
form when we will want to come back. We don't want to
look ahead. We want to make sure that if we do come back
in a few years that everyone comes back on the same
page. It might be three years, it might be six years and
it very well might be the end. If everybody gets focused
on other projects then it can be very difficult to get
six people back together on the same mindset. I don't
think its the end but the truth is that if you could
look ahead in a crystal ball and see that these are our
last shows then I wouldn't be stunned. I hope it is not
but at this age, and with this many years in, I am very
grateful for all we have done. I am just going to focus
on what is going on now and not what is going on with
the Black Crowes.
Jeb: What are you going to do next?
Scott: I do a sports talk radio show online as a
podcast. It is called Steve Gorman Sports.com. It is me
with musician friends or professional athletes. We are
actually getting busy with that. I have a musical
project in Nashville with some friends of mine. We have
been just doing it here and there but with the Crowes
out of the picture then I want to get it up and running
and get out on the road. The band is called Trigger
Hippie.
Jeb: My last one is this: What was it like to play
and make a live CD with Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page?
Steve: That was the best of all worlds. We had been
out doing our thing for ten years and we were a good
rock bands and we had an attitude that we could do this.
Then we would go home and say, “Holy shit I just played
with Jimmy Page.” I got to be a total pro and a fan at
the same time. People tell me it must have been a dream
come true but I never even dared to dream it. Who would
have ever thought that I would get to go play Led
Zeppelin songs with Jimmy Page?
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