The Great Goldinni: An Interview with DIO
Guitarist Craig Goldy
By Jeb Wright, February 2011
Craig Goldy never received
the media attention bestowed upon the other guitarists who
played with Ronnie James Dio. His name is never mentioned
alongside that of Tony Iommi, Ritchie Blackmore or Vivian
Campbell. It is Craig, however, that Ronnie chose to bring into
the band when Vivian Campbell was removed. It was also Craig who
got the call to replace Tracy G when he didn’t have the guitar
chops worthy enough to be a member of Ronnie’s band.
Ronnie James Dio and Craig Goldy had a special relationship
that went back to when the guitarist was living in a car to
escape the physical abuse he was forced to endure throughout his
childhood. Ronnie, and his wife Wendy, took a special interest
in Craig and took him under their wing. To Craig, they were more
than his employers; they were his family.
In 2010 the Niji Entertainment Group, owned by Wendy Dio,
released the first of many upcoming Ronnie James Dio oriented
releases. The double CD, DIO AT DONINGTON UK: LIVE 1983 AND
1987, features the band’s first trip the massive festival in
1983 with the original Dio lineup. The 1987 concert, on disc
two, features the lineup with Craig Goldy as the band
co-headlined the event with Bon Jovi.
On February 15, 2011, the album will be issued as a double
vinyl set with deluxe gatefold packaging, and on 180 gram vinyl
- the first-ever Dio album to be released in this high quality
vinyl format. The album was mixed and mastered under the
supervision of Dio's longtime engineer, Wyn Davis. Both versions
are must-own collectables for Dio fans as the sound quality and
packaging are both stellar.
Classic Rock Revisited caught up with Craig Goldy to discuss
his relationship with Ronnie James Dio, from the earliest days
of living in his car to saying goodbye to his musical mentor in
the hospital. What follows is an emotional interview that saw
Goldy breakdown emotionally, twice.
Craig Goldy’s love for Ronnie James Dio runs deep, as does
his respect for the music they made together. One leaves the
following interview missing the small statured rock icon with
the huge voice known as Ronnie James Dio. Dio’s legacy will be
kept alive through the words of Goldy, the dedication of Wendy
Dio and at the insistence of his fans. Ronnie James Dio was more
than a metal god, he was an amazing human being.
Jeb: You were in Rough Cutt when you met Ronnie James Dio.
How did your paths cross?
Craig: When Randy Rhoads died Jake E. Lee left Rough Cutt to
join Ozzy Osbourne’s band. Wendy Dio managed Rough Cutt and
Ronnie was the producer. At that time I was living in a car that
wasn’t even mine because I was tired of the beatings that I was
enduring at home; I had a really bad upbringing.
Jeb: I had no idea; that’s terrible.
Craig: My first memory, when I was four years old, was my mom
carrying me across the parking lot to the emergency room and
telling me, “Just tell them that you fell.” I had gotten thrown
across the room and my face went straight into the windowsill
and I cracked my face open. I actually had a metal tube stuck
down the hole in my penis to dissolve scar tissue because I
couldn’t even pee correctly. I got sick of it so I left.
I bought a car, it wasn’t even in my name, and I slept in it;
that was my home. I was giving guitar lessons and this guy said,
“If you buy us some beer and give us twenty bucks then we will
record your demo.” The guys in my band got them the beer and I
gave them twenty bucks and we recorded a demo. I was in another
band as well with the singer that ended up in the band Warrior.
We were going to join forces but he got the gig in Warrior and
he left me in San Diego. He felt bad about leaving me so he
said, “Give me some copies of your demo and I will pass them
around.” The band Warrior was friends with Rough Cutt so the
demo ended up in the hands of the drummer who was friends with
Ronnie. When Jake E. Lee left, Ronnie told the drummer that they
were fucked. No one knew how they were going to replace him.
Then they heard my demo. I was living in my car and I didn’t
even have an amp. Ronnie got me an amp.
Jeb: How old were you at this time?
Craig: I was nineteen. Every single guitar player in Los
Angeles was auditioning for the spot in Rough Cutt. I didn’t
know this at the time but Ronnie liked the music I wrote and it
meant something to him. He wanted to speak with me. I was able
to tell him how much his music meant to me and that he was my
favorite singer. He got inspired during our audition and he sat
in. Ronnie never sits in with bands. We did “Man on the Silver
Mountain” and “Heaven and Hell” and he came close to me, cheek
to cheek, whisker to whisker, and said, “What’s the lyrics to
the second verse of “Man on the Silver Mountain?” I go, “I’m the
day” and the he does the same thing during “Heaven to Hell” and
I said, “The lover of life.” From that day on we formed a bond,
as he knew I loved his lyrics and his music.
When he was in Heaven and Hell he would call me just to tell
me about the lyrics because he knew I understood them; I had
broken the code. When I was in Rough Cutt he would pull me aside
and say, “What do you think of these lyrics?” I would say,
“You’re saying one thing but I think you really mean this.” He
would grab my arm and say, “That’s exactly what I mean.” In the
studio we worked together and we created some great music. He
told me one day, “If Vivian doesn’t work out then you’re my
first choice.” When Vivian didn’t work out there were no
auditions as Ronnie stayed true to his word.
Jeb: I loved the stuff Viv did on those first albums. But it
worked out well for you that they didn’t click.
Craig: I did too but I couldn’t be happier about that. I am
very fortunate that he fucked up. The only reason people know
who I am, and why I exist on this planet, is because of Mr.
Ronnie James Dio. I will tell you another thing --- I am warning
you that I will probably cry. He was my family – here it comes.
Let me summon my strength.
There was a time in Rough Cutt where we didn’t have any
money. There was a little can of tuna in the cupboard that I
could have sworn I bought. I made a tuna fish sandwich and the
drummer ripped me a new asshole. He told everybody that I was
doing this and I was doing that. The very next day, I see a red
Mercedes Benz pull up to our place and Ronnie and Wendy get out
of the car with two bags of groceries each. They couldn’t even
use a hand to hold onto the railing to go up the stairs. They
came inside and they set the four bags of groceries on the table
and told the drummer, “These are for Craig. Leave them alone.”
And they turned around and walked away. They did that over a can
of fucking tuna. That is the kind of guy he was. I didn’t call
him and whine about it. They heard about it and they went
shopping and brought them to me. They could have said, “Hey, we
got you some stuff; come get it.” But they hand delivered it to
me and then told the drummer, who was giving me shit, “These are
for Craig, don’t fucking touch them.”
Jeb: Watching Ronnie backstage with the fans was amazing. He
would take every picture and shake every hand. He was not forced
to do it; he wanted to do it.
Craig: There were times he would allow the band to go back to
the hotel and he and I would stay back and meet with the fans. I
think that may have helped form our bond even tighter. Ronnie
was also really good to the crew; he didn’t treat them like
shit. They were like family. We would hang out with them after
the show and we would actually help them and carry shit and put
it away.
One night it was pouring rain and we were in the limo getting
ready to leave the arena; it was three o’clock in morning. As we
are pulling out we see these two guys standing out in the
pouring rain. Ronnie and I looked at each other and Ronnie goes,
“Stop.” He rolls down the window and tells these two guys to
come over. They come over and he is getting ready to sign the
stuff they wanted signed and he and I looked at each other again
and go, “Fuck this shit.” They go, “We’re sorry man.” Ronnie
goes, “No, not that. If you guys can wait for us in the pouring
rain then we can stand with you in the pouring rain.” We got out
of the limo and stood and talked with them. We had a six o’clock
lobby call and it was already three and there were only two of
them but we knew we had to stop. We didn’t have to, we wanted
to. Because we loved the fans so much it became a matter of
having to do that. It is not an obligation, you actually need to
reach out and make that connection. Because you love them so
much you have to reach out and give them a hug and talk to them.
Most rock stars would say, “buy me a drink” or “roll me a joint”
or “give me a snort of coke.” We would feed them and give them
our time.
Jeb: You got the call that Viv was gone in 1986.
Craig: It was 1986. I had six rehearsals with the band before
we played live. I knew the set better than they did. There were
times I corrected Jimmy [Bain] and Vinnie [Appice].
Jeb: You had Rough Cutt and you played with Guffria. Are you
telling me you learned Ronnie’s songs while you were in other
bands?
Craig: I sat and listened to those albums all the time. I
learned those songs just because. Rudy Sarzo and Tommy Aldridge
had just left Ozzy’s band and we formed a band together. We had
Jeff Scott Soto at one point. We were doing quite well and that
is when I got the phone call from Ronnie and I had to leave. I
learned Ronnie’s songs out of joy and I just happened to be
ready when he called.
Jeb: Do you remember the Donington gig? You had not been in
the band very long when you did that show.
Craig: I had been in the band about a year. We recorded
Dream Evil. We didn’t have many rehearsals for Donington
either. I was scared shitless at that gig. There were 80,000
people there. When I did my solo I played my guitar and then had
the crowd sing back to me. It is not on the CD unfortunately. I
played a lick and then I put my hand to my ear and they all
looked at me. I thought, “This could go either way. This could
go bad.” I did another lick and then some people sang back the
lick to me. I kept doing it and soon I had connected with 80,000
people. It was really amazing. Ronnie came over to my side of
the stage and grabbed my arm firmly and said, “Just remember who
you are.” He didn’t want me to play with fear; he wanted me to
play with confidence.
Jeb: A major change had occurred in the band. You did the
album but Donington was a huge gig. It was really the new DIO on
a huge stage. It was a career defining moment.
Craig: We were co-headlining with Bon Jovi. We played right
before them. Richie Sambora came over to me and said, “Kick some
ass for me.” Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley were there. I felt
like Dracula in a room full of necks. It really was a dream come
true for me. As I kid I used to sit in my room after a beating
and listen to Ronnie’s music. Now I was onstage with him playing
before 80,000 people.
Jeb: Was this the Rainbow or Sabbath era when you got into
Ronnie’s music?
Craig: When I was listening to him at home he was in Rainbow;
that was my introduction to Ronnie James Dio. I used to pray to
God for a singer like him to come into my life. I never thought
that I could ever be in his band. I just wanted to be in a band
with a singer like him. If you work hard and have pure heart
then God will give you the desires of your heart. I am not
trying to be all Christian on you and shit as I hate that sort
of thing. But there is truth in the word of God and if you live
a pure life he will give you the desires of your heart; if I am
not mistaken, he sure as fuck did with me.
Jeb: Tell me about when you hurt your hand and had to leave
the band.
Craig: That was really scary. A lot of people think that it
was because of drinking, and to a degree it was, but I will tell
you the whole story. I woke up one morning and I couldn’t make a
fist without it sounding like my entire hand was crunching. It
was really weird. I tried to put it in warm water first but it
didn’t help. I put it in ice water and that helped. My entire
picking hand would crunch.
I went to the doctor and it ended up being a potassium
deficiency. I started taking potassium and he also had me take
an anti-inflammatory. I took them and I had a few
drinks and I was fucked up out of my head. We had a really bad
gig in Minsk.
Jeb: You were supposed to be the guy on Killing the Dragon
but that you left.
Craig: I was in the studio with Ronnie writing and recording
Killing the Dragon but there were times when your family
needs you. My third wife was in Denmark and she was pregnant
with my son and I just couldn’t leave her in a strange country
while we went on tour.
Doug Aldrich came in and overdubbed my parts. I was on the
album. “Throw Away Children,” “Push” and “Rock and Roll” are my
songs. I wrote the intro for “Killing the Dragon.” I just had to
be with my wife. I couldn’t let her give birth to my first son
in a different country while I went on tour. That is why I keep
getting invited back because it is not like I am a fuck up.
Things just happen; life will kick the living shit out of you.
You just have to do what you have to do.
Jeb: You are Ronnie’s go to guy in Dio. But Ronnie always
gets mentioned with Blackmore, Iommi, Campbell and Aldridge.
Does that bother you?
Craig: I don’t care. What people forget is that there was a
time when Tracy G was playing guitar with Ronnie and he was
getting booed off the stage every night. Ronnie couldn’t take it
anymore and he called me and he asked me to come back. We ended
up creating Magica together. I came up with the idea to
link all of the songs together like Pink Floyd did on Dark
Side of the Moon. If I can walk away with anything after all
of my career then I can walk away knowing that Magica was
the album that put Ronnie back on the map.
Jeb: Is there any more music still in the vaults?
Craig: There is going to be some unreleased material come
out. Wendy has given Rudy Sarzo and I permission to go through
Ronnie’s computer and find music. We are going to get together
with the Dio band and perform with Ripper Owens. I am really
looking forward to that. It has been a long time since I have
felt proud to be a part of something.
I am also creating a new band that is going to bring back the
‘Holy Shit’ factor to rock n’ roll. We have a singer that can
hit all of the notes that David Coverdale, Ian Gillan and Robert
Plant can’t hit anymore. We are putting a band together and we
have some original music that has a lot of twists and turns to
it. I also have a Rough Cutt reunion coming up as well. It is
going to be a crazy year but it is going to be really good.
Jeb: At what point did you find out that Ronnie was really
sick?
Craig: Here I go again, I am going to cry. I was on tour with
Budgie and we were doing a meet and greet and this guy comes up
with his cell phone and says, “Have you heard that Ronnie is in
the hospital with stomach cancer?” My whole life suddenly
stopped. I got a chance to talk to Wendy and we met when I came
back. Ronnie was doing chemotherapy. At one point the doctor
told him that he was free of cancer. Wendy asked Ronnie what he
wanted to do and he said, “I want to write music with Craig.” We
started writing more Magica music. We were writing music
and Ronnie was walking and talking and eating and was fine. I
had to go back and tour with Budgie for a month and when I came
back he was in the hospital and two days later he was gone. He
was my family and he was gone. Wendy knew how much Ronnie and I
meant to each other. There were all these people in the room and
Wendy cleared the room so Ronnie and I could have alone time.
Jeb: You are Ronnie were more than bandmates. Ronnie was a
father figure to you.
Craig: He was a father and a friend. I go through this still
to this day. I have good days and bad days. I apologize.
Jeb: There is no need to apologize. You are a real person.
There is no bullshit.
Craig: I will tell you that there is no bullshit in this
organization. Ronnie wanted the music to live on; he requested
all of what is happening now to happen. It was all established
before he died. A lot of people accuse Wendy of trying to create
a cash cow but that is not true. She is simply trying to keep
his name alive. I am not trying to put Ronnie next to Elvis but
when Elvis died his estate was in debt. Priscilla took over the
estate and turned it into an empire. She did it because she
loved him.
Jeb: It is bullshit that anyone would think she has any other
reason to do this than to fulfill Ronnie’s wishes.
Craig: You should have seen the way she spoke to him in the
hospital. She loved him even though they weren’t living in the
same home; they were separated and she had a boyfriend. It
didn’t matter. It was very tender and pure; she really did love
him. Anything that she does has nothing to do with money; she’s
got money. She is trying to keep his name, his music and his
legend alive.
Jeb: Other than going through his unreleased music and the
Live at Donington CD are you involved in the business?
Craig: I am not at this time. I am hoping that the band I
told you about will be on their label. Simon [Wright] and I had
a chance to meet about this thing we are doing with Ripper as
well. When we do this thing with Ripper it is going to make an
outstanding contribution to his foundation.
Jeb: I know that Ronnie would create whatever vision he
wanted to accomplish. It may have not always been commercially
viable but it was what he wanted to do at the time.
Craig: If you just wanted to be a rock star then you didn’t
want to play with Ronnie James Dio. Ronnie was not a rock star,
he was a musician and he surrounded himself with musicians.
Ronnie used to call me The Great Goldinni. We recorded
the entire albums Magica and Master of the Moon in
his home studio before we went into a proper studio and recorded
them again. He used to say, “Goldinni, is this a harmony above
or a harmony below?” I would tell him and he would thank me.
Jeb: How about a good road story because Ronnie like to have
a few drinks with the boys.
Craig: This is where we come into a problem. Ronnie used to
give me a lot of shit about this. When we were on tour I would
always go back to my hotel room because I needed to recharge my
batteries. I wouldn’t go out to the strip clubs or the bar. I
would just stay in my hotel room because I had to rest for the
gig the next night. I used to order French fries up to my room.
They guys used to joke that whenever the hotel was bringing
French fries up to my room that I was up there with my own still
making French fried vodka.
Jeb: What were some of the harder guitar solos you played in
Ronnie’s band.
Craig: This goes back to whether people talk about me or not;
I really don’t care about that. What I do care about is that I
wanted to do Blackmore’s solos note for note. I wanted to do
Vivian’s solos and Iommi’s solos note for note. Back then a lot
of people didn’t do the solos note for note so the album quality
performance was not there. I wanted to be the guy who could
deliver the album quality performance from any era of Ronnie’s
career.
I knew the guitar parts were going to be difficult. Whether
it was Richie’s solo on “Gates of Babylon” or Doug Aldrich’s
solo on “Killing the Dragon” I knew what I was up against. I
never got surprised. As a player there comes a time where you
know what you are up against. You just have to say, “Fuck, I
have got to do this.”
Jeb: This has been an emotional interview for you so let’s
end with a heartwarming story.
Craig: When Ronnie and I first met he used to have me over to
his house and we would just hang out. One time he came walking
into the room with an armful of equipment and he asked me to
help him set it up. I helped him set it all up and we watched
all of these old videos of when he played with Rainbow. We
watched them and then we talked.
It was really late so Ronnie made me a bed on the floor and
he put the sheets down and then the pillow and blanket – it was
almost like he was tucking me in. I remember one time after he
made me a bed, he gave me headphones so I could lie there and
listen to Holy Diver before it was even done. I got to
listen to that album before it was even finished as he tucked me
in and said, “See you tomorrow.”
Jeb: Last one: The first time I interviewed Ronnie I sat
there like a kid in a candy store taking in his entire story.
Two days later, in the mail, I got an autographed picture from
Ronnie that said, “To Jeb: Special magic: Ronnie James Dio.” I
didn’t ask for it or anything. He just did it.
Craig: That is what Ronnie was like. He wasn’t a rock star.
He was perceived as one but he was a musician and he was a great
man. Ronnie and I used to cry over the song “Rock n Roll
Children.” Little things like that are very special. People
reading this article may think I am full of shit but Ronnie and
I played and wrote music together, but he also relied on me, and
that is what means so much to me. We have to carry on his
legacy, as he was too important as a musician and as a person.