THE NEW KID IN TOWN: AN INTERVIEW WITH DREAM
THEATER’S MIKE MANGINI
By Jeb Wright
Dream Theater may be the most talented band on the
planet in terms of pure instrumental prowess. Every
member of the group is so talented it’s scary. They have
built a huge worldwide following and are the reigning
Kings of Progressive Rock.
In a world where Gaga’s, hip-hoppers and ditzy
blondes have taken over the pop charts it is unthinkable
that a Prog band like Dream Theater would have a
snowballs chance in hell to release a new album that
would be appreciated by the masses. When A Dramatic
Turn of Events was released earlier this year, the
album landed at # 8 on the charts. What makes this even
more amazing is that this was the first album without
founding member, drummer and fan favorite Mike Portnoy.
When Portnoy left the band it was widely believed
that this would be a huge step backwards for Dream
Theater. One can’t simply replace someone this important
to a band. The remaining members of Dream Theater took
their time as the music world speculated on who would be
the chosen one.
The band was smart and went after someone with the
same level of skill and perfectionism that they posses.
On top of being talented, Mangini is smart. He lectured
at the Berklee College of Music in Boston and has
written, and published two books on polyrhythms and is a
student of philosophy.
In the interview that follows, Mangini discusses how
it feels being the new guy in Dream Theater and what it
was like to replace Mike Portnoy. Mike also talks about
how the new album came out so good and how the band’s
live show is evolving as well.
Jeb: Here I am talking to the new guy.
Mike: Yes, I am the new guy. It feels like I have
either been here five years, or five minutes.
Jeb: How does it feel to be a member of Dream
Theater?
Mike: It is such a feeling of completeness for me.
The way that I set up my drum kit is completely unique
and I have never been in a band that understood how I
did things. Each of the members of this band understands
why I have everything set up the way I do.
I feel like a piece of me is complete. It is like
when you decide to go to college, you may study business
but you end up playing soccer; you just don’t know how
it is all going to fit together. I have found a home for
all of the craziness of my playing. I’m really a
fortunate person.
Jeb: You have played with some great people in the
past and had some high profile gigs. But this seems
different.
Mike: It is different because everything is natural.
I am talking from the things that I play, to the things
that are asked of me, to the food we order, to the way
we hang out and talk, and to the philosophies we share.
I can’t tell you how comforting it is to be around
like-minded people.
Jeb: Did you know the guys before you joined? I mean
you knew James [LaBrie] from being in his band but how
close were you all?
Mike: I had known James for fifteen years, but it was
basically a professional relationship. We would talk and
hang out but it really was really very professional. My
relationship with Mike [Portnoy] was just like it is
with all of the other drummers in the drum world; we all
become friends and we talk about drums and drumming with
each other. That was really my relationship with Dream
Theater.
Jeb: You filled some big shoes in Dream Theater. Mike
was a great player and a fan favorite. Were you nervous?
Mike: The nerves didn’t get to me. I’ve had
approximately 46 auditions in my past and I’ve won every
one of them – that includes drum contests. I won from
elementary school to State in high school to drum
contests to trying out for bands. I think that is
because I was the same person through all of them. I
worry that someone is out there working harder than me;
that makes me put my head down and try harder.
When this situation came up, I was used to dealing
with this type of a thing. What made this different was
how I fit in. I had been practicing all of these years
wondering where I would be able to use all of my skills.
I had used most of them in one situation, or another,
but I wanted a situation where I could use all of them.
I couldn’t imagine not getting in Dream Theater.
What was different this time was that I knew I had
to get into this band.
Jeb: It sounds like you’ve discovered more than a
band, you’ve discovered a family.
Mike: It has got nothing to do with how it all
happened. It just did happen. None of this was in my
control and I am fortunate that it worked out for me. I
have really made some brothers in the process.
Jeb: Dream Theater fans are more open-minded than a
lot of others. Portnoy was a huge part of this band and
the fans loved him. In some situations you would be a
sitting duck on stage. DT fans seem to have a ‘show me’
attitude and seem really inquisitive of what you will
bring to the show.
Mike: I have a ton of admiration and respect for
Dream Theater. I am a huge fan of Dream Theater. As a
fan, I would want them to continue after Mike left.
Jeb: I was on the fence wondering what you would
bring. When I heard the new album I was blown away. The
band came back with a vengeance.
Mike: St. Thomas Aquinas said that we are all a
potentiality. He’s not saying we have potential, he is
saying that we are something already. He looked at it
like we are a spiritual being and that we have
potentiality for mankind to become better. That said, we
are human beings and we can use our imagination and our
creativity to become better. The guys in Dream Theater
are those kinds of guys.
The way I look at it with Mike is that Mike’s
interest was spread out into other areas besides the
drums. He was into production and press and all kinds of
stuff. My thing is the same as Jordan Rudess’, John
Myung’s and John Petrucci’s, we bury ourselves in
practice and that is why this record came out like that.
Five of us guys who think like that are all playing
together.
I didn’t compose on the record but I played. You have
four people practicing their own instruments, and one
guy trying to reach that one note, and they are using
their imaginations and creativity to become better, and
that is why the record came out the way it did.
Jeb: You have to listen to the entire album.
Mike: My parents are 80, and they listen to the album
and realize how great it is.
They don’t understand how difficult it is to switch
to a 9/14 time signature after playing 4/4, but they
understand how great it sounds. This is really the best
thing I have ever been a part of.
Jeb: Were the guys in the band aware that this music,
as it was being created, was this good?
Mike: The feeling is the same with the record as the
show. Everyone is really digging deep. The source of
that is that we are really gracious to each other.
We went out to dinner to celebrate my one year
anniversary of being in the band the other night, and
President George Bush was at the same place eating with
Barbara. When the Secret Service guys put him in his
wheelchair, after he was done, he treated them
wonderfully. He said, “Thank you, that’s perfect.” If
people are working for you then you need to open the
door for them, once in a while, and by the way he talked
to them you could tell he is that way. Everyone in this
band is that way. Everyone may be tired from a long trip
and a bumpy bus ride, but the reviews show what I’m
trying to say, and that is that everyone is kicking butt
in this entire organization.
I am trying to tell you the reason why it is like
that – the reason the album and the show are that good
-- is because there is a good plant coming from a good
seed.
Jeb: Progressive Rock is not supposed to be in the
Top 10 in this day and age. When this album charted that
high it makes one wonder how Dream Theater can get
normal people to listen to such complex music.
Mike: Dream Theater comes from a melodic sense; we
are very progressive and melodic. The band has always
had great melody.
Every once in a while, I read that a fan didn’t like
the last few records, but they really like this one.
There is nothing wrong with those records, and I almost
find myself defending the albums. They are all amazing
records because of that melodic sense. I have done my
homework and I can tell you why people like this record.
I have published two books on polyrhythms and I was a
teacher for eleven years. What is happening is that
there is a part of the brain that needs to be exposed to
time changes, literally. It has to be exposed to it or
it can’t compute it. Lady Gaga is in 4/4 but she has a
ton of melody, so it makes sense that she is as popular
as she is. Dream Theater also have the melody, but we
also have a ton of time changes.
Research studies in polyrhythms have proven that no
person is able to understand polyrhythms, not even in
the simple stuff that Sting writes. Dream Theater is way
more complex than Sting. Science understands this.
People are not going to understand this until they
listen to it a bit. Once they listen to it, then it
starts to rewire their brain.
A lot of polyrhythms are making their way in to the
public consciousness and I think it has made the public
ready for Dream Theater music on a very large scale. My
name is Mike; I hit things for a living. I am just
somebody that is living life and trying to be happy. For
my students, I studied the human mind and how people
retain things and this is how I got introduced to all of
this. I find it to be amazing and I find it helps me in
my search for the truth.
Jeb: Is that why Dream Theater is able to be complex
but still be very emotional?
Mike: It is all part of it. It is also a timing
thing. It’s 2011 and Dream Theater has been around for a
long time now. Dream Theater is responsible for making
this kind of music popular. These guys are unmatched as
a unit with the complexity of what they write and how
far they go.
Jeb: Last one: I grew up a huge fan of the band
Kansas. Every now and then I hear Kansas in Dream
Theater. Would you agree?
Mike: I don’t know; I’m new. The rest of the guys,
including Mike, created this music, so they would have
to be the ones to answer that.
I think progressive music does have a lot of time
changes and when I think of Kansas, I think of song and
melody. I think when Dream Theater goes nuts with the
time changes and the solos; they always come back to the
melodic. I think it could be the math of it. I think
that is what you’re hearing; that’s just my opinion.
Jeb: I am very glad to spend this time talking to the
newest member of Dream Theater. I know you have to get
ready to play tonight. Any final thoughts?
Mike: I appreciate how everybody is being so
welcoming to me. The bottom line is that my heart is in
the right place. I have worked very hard to be able to
play at a certain level. One thing that I can’t change
is my love for the music and my brotherhood with the
guys. I appreciate the people and I am grateful. I am
just going to go for it and take everything each day as
it comes and see what happens next.