The Ambassador of Rock
Speaks! An Interview with BCC’s Glenn Hughes
By Jeb
Wright
Glenn Hughes has been around the block a few times; hell,
he’s been around the globe and even outer space a few times. The
rocker has been clean and sober for years and while his journeys
have been limited to the earth this time around, it must be said
that with Black Country Communion he is making music that is out
of this world.
Since becoming sober, Glenn has been dedicated to creating
real music for real people. Never has his desire to be the best
he can be been as strong as it is now, as his band, a supergroup
of sorts is the best thing to come along since the wah-wah
pedal.
The group consists of Hughes on bass and vocals, Joe
Bonamassa on guitar, Derek Sherinian on keys and Jason Bonham on
drums. The band has recorded their sophomore album; simply
called 2, an album that will take the world of hard rock
by storm very soon.
The music is part Led Zeppelin, part Deep Purple, part Joe
Bonamassa and part Black Country Communion. This is not a
tribute band nor is it a band that is copping others riffs.
Sure, they pay homage to the great bands of the past, here and
there, but BCC has found the magic formula to make great ‘70’s
sounding hard rock in 2011. This is the real deal and rockers of
any age will be smiling from ear-to-ear when they crank this one
up for the first time. They will still be smiling when they
crank it up for the thousandth time.
I caught up with Glenn on the phone to discuss the new music.
We almost missed our interview, as he kept not answering the
phone. I was ready to give up and go out to dinner when a voice
in my head told me to try the number one more time. I’m glad I
did as Glenn and I have been doing interviews for ten years and
he is always a blast to talk with. I have never heard him more
enthusiastic and confident about any musical project he has been
involved in. After hearing BCC 2 for myself, I understand
why he is so pumped up.
To cop a line from AC/DC, for those about to rock out to
Black Country Communion… we salute you!
Jeb: You are a busy man. I am glad I tried you one more time,
as I was afraid you were running so late on your last interview
we might have to cancel.
Glenn: I was a bit upset as I hoping you would call on time.
This other guy called twenty-five minutes late, and I didn’t
know this guy, and I didn’t have a history with him. I could see
you calling on the other line and I was bit upset that I was
missing you. To make matters worse, this guy had not even heard
the album. I bet you have heard it.
Jeb: You’re damn right I have.
Glenn: You can ask me all the questions you want, as we have
a history together. I am very, very proud of this record.
Jeb: Black Country Communion is the best band to come out for
decades. I reviewed the first album and gave it an “A” and I am
telling you, this one is better.
Glenn: You and I have known each other for ten
years or so, you know I am a fun loving guy and that I really
love life but this fucking band has taken up a really big part
of my life.
Jeb: The last time we talked you told me you were stepping
away from the funky stuff and that you wanted to go out rocking
hard. This must be a spiritual experience.
Glenn: We hit #53 on the US album charts, which is quite an
accomplishment for this band. I am going to cut to the chase, it
is very simple: Kevin Shirley asked Joe and I last year, “Do you
and Joe fancy making the second record? Wouldn’t it be great if
we had a second record out when we decide to go play live.” He
looked at Joe and Joe looked at me and said, “Over to you pal.”
Joe does not write a lot on the road. My schedule was pretty
open as I was taking the summer off. I went into my studio for
sixteen hours a day until I came up with what I thought were the
best songs for album two. It was a lot of fucking work.
“Faithless” was the first song and then the music that followed
came very quickly. The difference between this album and the new
one, if you listen to the lyrics, is that the new one is darker.
I really wanted to go beneath the surface and sing about stuff
other than boy-meets-girl. I wanted to talk about life and death
and all the dark things that we go through.
Jeb: “Ordinary Son” is a song that Joe sang on the album but
I have to mention that it is an amazing epic tune.
Glenn: I know Joe’s family and if you listen to the lyrics
that is Joe thanking his mom and dad for all they have done for
him. Joe heard what I was doing on this album and I have to say
that we are hearing a much more mature Joe Bonamassa; we should
all embrace that.
Jeb: Your vocal style continues to amaze me. You have the
fountain of youth when it comes to your voice. You are attacking
this album, physically, with tons of energy. How do you continue
to do that and still produce such amazing results?
Glenn: I’ve got to tell you the truth; I have never, ever,
ever been so inspired and ambitious as I am now. I won’t name
names but lets just say that some of my peers have taken their
foot off the gas and they aren’t writing like they used to. Not
your friend, Glenn, I am going, “Fuck this shit man, give me the
flag and lets run with this baby.” You could say that I am
driven.
I don’t mind telling your readers this for the first time in
an interview; Big Daddy has a vocal coach. All the great tennis
players and athletes have coaches and my friend Stevie Wonder
has a vocal coach. Big Daddy went and got a vocal coach and it
is paying off for me. I have to warm up my voice, get plenty of
rest, drink lots of water and really watch what I am doing but
that is the way to do it, as the results are great. If you don’t
take care of yourself then you will be in trouble.
Jeb: Talk to me about Jason Bonham. He sounds a lot like his
dad on this album.
Glenn: I am telling you man, and I told you this when we
talked last year, I knew the guys in Zeppelin and John Bonham
was a major, major component, not just as a drummer but also as
an arranger in that band. We have the same common denominator.
Jason Bonham is playing the best drums of his fucking life right
now. We went for the same sonic. Kevin knows how to do that. We
got the Bonham sound. We went for that and we fucking got it.
Jeb: Kevin Shirley must be loving this band.
Glenn: I read your interviews and you are always very
thorough. Kevin has told me that this album is the most fun that
he has ever had in his life. Kevin said that this is the peak of
his career and that he will never be able to top this album.
That is coming from a guy that has worked Jimmy Page, Rush, the
Black Crowes and, of course, Iron Maiden. On 2, we are
taking about a project that was once only on paper and is now a
fully functioning, animalistic rock n’ roll band.
Jeb: How did this band start and what did it take to go from
the idea stage to where you are now, which is getting ready to
play some USA dates and release the album Black Country
Communion 2?
Glenn: Joe and I, about five years ago started hanging out.
We went from having lunch together to grooving in my studio. We
started jamming and we found our music getting louder and
heavier. Next, we found ourselves playing the House of Blues and
Kevin Shirley was there. Joe’s fan base, which is a blues
audience, seemed to think that we worked well together. Kevin
came backstage after the show and suggested that we form a rock
band with Jason and Derek [Sherinian]. Six weeks later, we were
in the studio making the first record. Making that album
answered the question if we could live and breath together and
make good music. The answer was ‘yes’ because we charted
everywhere. With 2, we have a fully-fledged rock n’ roll
beast going.
Jeb: You need more dates in America, as I want to see this
band. Are you thinking of jumping on a bigger tour and opening
or are you going to slog it out on your own?
Glenn: We start June 9th in San Diego. We will go
clear through until Washington D.C on the 20th of
June. That night we will be recording live for HD.net. We are
doing eight dates in the States and then going to Europe for six
weeks. After that, we are going to come back here, regroup, and
then hit it hard early next year.
Jeb: There have been so many promises for real rock bands
over the years but real music fans have been disappointed time
and time again. We have all prayed for a band like Black Country
Communion. You are the hope for real rock!
Glenn: We didn’t set out to be the next big thing. When you
have a guy who was in Deep Purple, John Bonham’s son, the best
new blues and rock guitar player of the decade and a great
Hammond player then you really should focus in on the target of
what your audience is going to be. You need to enjoy the graft
in the craft of what you are doing. Our band loves to play. You
know when you hear the songs you are hearing that it is not
faked, or forced, and that it is very natural. This band is
Glenn Hughes returning home to play hard rock music. I’m the
figurehead, and you can call me that, but the band has given me
this role. I am the Ambassador and I am the one with the flag in
my hand. I write most of the songs; the band has given me the
green light to do that. We’re a very democratic band who votes
on things; I have been outvoted many times but I am also the guy
who has the flag out and it planting it in the ground.
Jeb: I think Derek is the band’s secret weapon. His solo
albums have great guitar players on them like Zakk Wylde. He is
amazing.
Glenn: Derek’s role is very, very important to our band. He
is like Jon Lord was in Deep Purple. He is featured more on 2
because he is simply brilliant. Musicians are a weird breed,
as is Derek, but he brings something very special to this band.
With Joe, Jason and myself, what you see is what you get. Derek
is really the glue that holds us all together.
Jeb: How does Black Country Communion, in terms of a band
feel, compare to the version of Deep Purple you played in?
Glenn: It is very simple, around 1973, before all the shit
started, things were great in Deep Purple. Being in the room
with these guys is very much like being with Deep Purple at
their peak. The musicianship in this band is of the highest
quality and you’ve got to be very strong to be in this band.
Jeb: We’ve done a lot of interviews over the years so I feel
I can ask you this; you were making good solo albums, each one
was getting stronger. You were on the brink and you were growing
but you couldn’t bridge the gap to where Black Country Communion
is poised to go.
Glenn: I couldn’t do it. I’m not angry about it. I think my
music, lets just call it the Other Glenn, was groove-oriented
music that a lot of rock fans didn’t understand. A lot of
musicians understood it and it was a very cool thing for me to
do. In the last 18 months, a lot of critics and friends have
said that they are very pleased that I have come back and began
to make hard rock music again. It does feel good to be back.
Jeb: Soul Mover, your last solo album, sowed the seeds
on that album. You had some really rocking moments on that
album.
Glenn: There was a lot of great music on that album. I think
that was the album that turned the corner for me. I made
Fused with Tony Iommi that same year.
Jeb: I would love to hear more music with Tony and you
someday.
Glenn: Geezer is one of my neighbors and Gabby and I see
Geezer and Gloria on a regular basis. Geezer and I are good
mates. Tony lives in England. Whenever Tony and I get together
then you know there will be music made. All is quite in the
Sabbath house right now, but I can tell you that the friendship
between Geezer, Tony and myself is stronger than ever before due
to the loss of Ronnie James Dio last year. You can guarantee
that at some point down the line, something may happen. It won’t
happen right now though because of my commitment to BCC.
Jeb: We both shared a friendship with Quiet Riot frontman
Kevin Dubrow. On the last QR album you guys recorded that Spooky
Tooth song. Man, that was hard rock as well.
Glenn: As you know, Kevin adored me and he thought I was a
good man. Frankie [Banali], you and me were the only people in
the world that thought Kevin could do no wrong. I know Kevin
irked a lot of people and he had a big mouth but I won’t hear a
bad word said about him. He was my little brother. He would live
in my house and he would cook my breakfast. He was in awe of the
way I turned my life around. He really wanted to do the same but
he was just too damn intelligent to figure out that this disease
of addiction wanted him dead.
Jeb: The last time we were together was in Vegas and we were
at dinner and he was cussing me for not reviewing your latest
solo album so he actually called you on the cell phone and
handed it to me!
Glenn: [Laughing] I remember that; that was Kevin. He is in
one of the pictures that is coming out in my book. I really miss
that guy. I went to Vegas and I wrote three or four songs on
that album. I went up to Kev’s house for the weekend and I knew
he was dabbling a bit on the weekends. I kept finding mirrors
and coke straws. It wasn’t cute but he tried to make it cute. We
almost fell out over the fact that I couldn’t get him sober, I
know that for a fact. I actually found him dead. That whole
situation still rankles me. I was the one who made the call to
the paramedics. It was on Gabby and my anniversary, which is two
days after my sober anniversary. You know the story but it is
still so fresh in my mind.
Jeb: Do you ever look where you were and where you are at
now? Have you ever looked back and wondered how you survived.
Glenn: My book is out. It took five years to write and it
took three years to be rigorously honest. It will shock you;
there is stuff in there that will be shocking even to sober
people. By the way, the writing of the book actually encouraged
me to go dark on the new BCC album. I needed to go dark on the
album and you can really hear it. You can hear the desperation
in my voice. I had to sing about this stuff. This is not me
being like one of my contemporaries and singing about “sliding
it in’, although I love David’s [Coverdale] songwriting. My
stuff is about what happens when you are out of your fucking
mind. Lets face it Jeb, I was on the roof, naked, seeing Nazi’s
coming out of the chimney and shit. I needed to talk about it.
You will understand it because you are a sober man but others
may not get it. It is none of my business what people fucking
think about me but as long as I am telling the truth, my truth,
then I am setting it free.
Jeb: You have to have a safety net when speaking in the
public eye, don’t you?
Glenn: When you read the book for the first time then you
will understand it. I was very famous for being a coke freak. I
wasn’t the angry guy with a gun, I was the guy who couldn’t
speak and was gibbering in the corner. I was a pathetic coke
freak. I was overweight and I was the opposite of the man I am
today. This book will be the last time I speak about these
things.
There are people in our industry who glamorize themselves on
drugs and talk about how many needles they have in their arms
and that they have died ten times. That is not what I am about.
If these two Black Country Communion albums serve a purpose for
people then so be it.
Jeb: In all honesty, you have already gone further than many
of your contemporaries have gone with this band. How big can it
get?
Glenn: I had dinner with Joe before I left for this promo
tour. I said, “Joseph, we have to invest in this band.” Solo
careers can only go so far. Joe is on a roll right now. We could
be headlining the forum with this band but we really have to
invest some time into it. I don’t want to play clubs with this
band; I want to go all the way. We started out in theaters and I
think we can go higher and higher. We are a band that sounds
like the Seventies. Young people that never saw the Led Zeppelin
may get a certain feeling from hearing our band.
Jeb: You have something special. I am so high on this band
that I am kissing your ass in this interview.
Glenn: You interview guys like Paul Rodgers, and others who
are very professional, and still have what it takes to do great
things. I don’t think you will talk to anyone this year who is
as driven as Glenn Hughes. I am not trying to be conceited or
say I am better than anyone. I am saying I am driven. I was a
mess in the Eighties --- you couldn’t even find me in the
Eighties. In the Nineties, I was coming back from all the drug
stuff. Now, twenty years later, I am almost at the summit and I
have the flag in my hands and I am about to pierce the fucker at
the top.
Jeb: At what point will the business interfere with the
music?
Glenn: I know what you’re referring too. The elephant in the
room is that there is no such thing as record sales anymore.
There are no CDs and everyone just downloads music. Young people
growing up will not even know what CDs were. Now, we are looking
at the 3D performance and we are looking at Blu-rays and the
visual aspects of the performers. People want to look at, and
try to touch, the live aspect of the band. This band, BCC, is
embracing this. We are shooting a Blu-ray in July in Germany
that will come out around Christmas. We are looking at the
visual side of our band. I am very involved in the marketing of
the band. Joe is not too involved with that as all he wants to
do is play guitar. Kevin Shirley and I are the ones who are
dealing with where this band, visually, will go in the future.
Jeb: Black Country Communion has had to write on the fly.
What if you guys could actually spend the time a band should
spend together? It is almost scary to think where this band
could go if you were all 100% committed to only this band.
Glenn: No one has asked me this question before. If I had my
druthers, then I would have Joe in my studio, to write with me,
for two weeks every Christmas. In reality, I only get Joe in my
studio for three days. This band is insane. We are not the
Allman Brothers. We don’t have the time to get in the studio and
jam for two months. I hate to say this, but this music feels
like it is coming from another fucking universe. Call it
synchronicity, karma, mumbo jumbo, fate or whatever… I just
don’t know what it is but I ain’t analyzing it, I am just
fucking living it.
Jeb: Last one: You are a rock star. You look like a rock
star. Joe is not, visually, a rock star. Do you ever have to go,
“Joe, you look like a nerd”?
Glenn: This is kind of personal but Joe and I have a very
special bond. Joe and I are very respectful of each other’s
past. Joe knows where I have been and that I have lived a very
colorful life. Joe comes to me with questions about life, which
I find very humbling. Sometimes he will ask me if he should wear
a certain shirt with a certain pair of pants. I find I am
getting into the same kind of nurturing relationship that I had
with Kevin Dubrow.
We all know that Joe can play guitar better than anybody
right now. What people don’t know is that Joe is growing
spiritually. He isn’t even scratching the surface of where he is
going to head. Let me say this to Joe’s fans, which we all love…
Joe wants to be in a rock n’ roll band. I need Joe’s fans to
accept that Joe, while he is a bluesman, loves rock music. He
grew up with rock music and he is at a point in his life where
he wants to rock. I just hope his fans hear him when he says to
them that he wants to rock with Glenn Hughes. I think what we
are doing is a beautiful thing.
Jeb: Joe sings on both albums…
Glenn: I try to get Joe to sing more on the albums but he
only wants to sing on two songs on each album. I fucking wrote
songs like “Smokestack Woman” for Joe to sing and he wouldn’t
sing it. He wanted me to sing it. I want his fans to know that
if I had my druthers then I would have him sing more. I think
his fans will be very happy when they hear the album when it
comes out June 14th.
This is the album of the year. This is the one. You’re one of
my guys in America and I need you on this record, Jeb. Let
people know how special this record is.