George Lynch was one of the true guitar gods to hit the big time
in the early 1980’s, helping to usher in the Hair Bands movement
that followed. As the lead guitarist of the band Dokken, he was
the focal point of the band, musically, much to the chagrin of
his band mate Don Dokken.
Lead vocalist Dokken and Lynch were poised to become the next
hugely successful team in a long line of guitar and singer
pairings, much like guys named Eddie and Dave, Keith and Mick
and Pete and Roger but things quickly changed after only a few
years.
Dokken had huge success that gave birth to huge egos that
eventually saw Lynch leave the band. The two men fought it out
with words in the press but eventually Don continued with his
namesake and George formed Lynch Mob.
Recently, rumors ran rampant that the band would reunite with
all four original members. It proved to be more than a rumor
when Lynch said that he would do it. It was to be the reunion
that few felt would ever happen. With everyone on board, at
least in the public eye, it appeared nothing could stop it.
Behind the scenes, however, according to Lynch, it was Don
Dokken who put the kibosh on getting back together.
At the end of the day, there was no Dokken reunion. Lynch,
while disappointed, has moved on and is ready to release a new
solo album titled Kill All Control. George recounts in
the interview below why the solo album is not the follow up to
his band Souls of We and the many obstacles that presented
themselves along the way. What should have taken less than two
months ended up taking two years.
In the interview that follows Lynch discusses creating the
new instrumental tune “Son of Scary” and how Don Dokken screwed
up a deal for “Mr. Scary” to be featured on Guitar Hero. We also
talk about a new project that will be coming out next year
titled Tooth and Nail that features all original Dokken members
other than Don.
Look for Kill All Control out soon and look for Lynch
Mob to be on the road in late July through August. Be sure to
keep an eye on georgelynch.com for all things George Lynch.
Jeb: The album coming out is called Kill All Control.
It is officially a George Lynch solo album. As I understand it,
this was not going to be the case. It was to be a Souls of We
album.
George: It was a follow up to Let the Truth Be Known
but we had some complications in the singer department and our
record that was to take five weeks to finish ended up taking two
years.
We have four singers on it, which really turned out to be a
happy accident. I have no regrets; we made it work. People seem
to really dig the record so; somehow, it all seems to have
worked out.
Jeb: You play in many styles on the CD. Was that why you used
different singers? Could London LeGrand just not pull off what
you needed?
George: It wasn’t that. London was in a strange personal
space at the time. It was a weird collision of personal events
and the fact that we were trying to get the record done. I think
London proved he is entirely capable when he came back in the 11th
hour and sang “Wicked Witch,” which we made the first single.
Jeb: Did you have people on the list that you were hoping to
work with or did it just work out that way?
George: It was all just an unpredictable sequence of events.
I just tried to go with the flow. Whatever plan we tried to make
fell apart. We made plans and things would happen that no one
could have anticipated and we had to start over. That happened
over and over again with this album. It was a series of events
that no one could have predicted would ever happen. We took all
kinds of crazy left and right turns but, at the end of the day,
we put everything together in a nice, cohesive way. It was a
happy ending to a very convoluted and long process.
Jeb: Was all the music written but there was no singer?
George: I write all my records that way. The vocals are
always an afterthought. We basically laid all the music down. We
got in a room for ten days and started jamming. We had no ideas;
we just let it all flow and we captured it. We rehearsed it up a
bit and we went in the studio for two weeks and we laid it all
down. Then we spent the next two years working on vocals.
Jeb: I thought you were exaggerating that the vocals took two
years. You’re serious.
George: It really did. It is not that it takes that long to
do the vocals but we had singers coming and going and things
happened, like I had to go out on tour with Lynch Mob. It was a
bunch of different things. It wasn’t that we worked for two
straight years as everyone had to do other things to make a
living. Plus, we had one singer out so we had to get the others
and they had to learn the songs and that is a process. It was a
bit of work.
Jeb: We have to talk about the song “Son of Scary.” Where did
this come?
George: I have always thought about doing something
completely new instrumentally, or an instrumental record, which
I have never got around too.
The idea to do “Son of Scary” came from a few years ago when
Guitar Hero called me and wanted to buy “Mr. Scary” and put it
on Guitar Hero. I thought it was an honor that they would do
that and I really wanted to see it happen. The thing is, that
back in the Dokken days, I was a big proponent of splitting
everything up equally. I wrote the song but I split the credits
up equally. I didn’t realize that would give away control of the
song as everyone owns it equally. Back in the day, when you’re
coming up, you come from nothing and you have nothing, so if
somebody wanted to use one of our songs and give us money then,
of course, we would have all agreed to that. All these years
later, there was one person in the band that, out of spite,
wanted to block it, legally, even though they would have gotten
a quarter of the money. Guitar Hero got scared away. The only
thing left to do was to write another tune, so I got with Fred
Coury and went to his studio and recorded “Son of Scary.” The
ironic thing is that by the time we got around to doing it,
Guitar Hero was out of business.
Jeb: At least you ended up with a great instrumental for this
album!
George: I actually went into another studio, LAFX Studio in
North Hollywood, about a month ago and did another version of
it. I kept the same rhythm track but I completely redid the
solo, which actually came out pretty damn cool. I don’t know if
it’s better; parts of it I think are better. It is only on
video. It will be on ESP’s website; I don’t know if it is up
yet. It is an interesting take on it. I just soloed over the
entire song, start to finish.
Jeb: When you solo, do you map out the fretboard and decide
what to do or is it just all improvisation?
George: I have only done one solo in my life that was
premeditated and totally worked out and that was “Tooth and
Nail.” I usually just do it by the seat of my pants. I go in the
studio and they cue up the track and I start playing. I always
tell the engineer to record the first thing I do. They always
think you are just warming up and that you’re not quite ready
and they will just let you run through the whole song. Usually,
my first pass is the best pass. Invariably, I am sweating and I
just poured my heart and soul into the solo and I say, “Did you
get that?” And he goes, “We weren’t even rolling tape.” Then you
spend the next two hours trying to get back to that first
inspiration. I can’t tell you how many times that has happened
to me.
I never really chase stuff. When we play from inspiration
only then the first thing is usually magical, and when you try
to recreate that then it gets really frustrating.
Jeb: From a layman’s perspective your playing sounds charted
out because it is so complex. It is very impressive that you can
do that off the cuff.
George: The stuff in the ‘80’s was composed in the studio
with the punch in. I never played it back to front in the
studio. I wouldn’t know what I was doing at first. I would play
the solo and then go, “I like the beginning and the ending but I
need to work on that section in the middle.” You then plot it
out. So, I guess I do plot it out in a way, but I do it all when
I am in the studio. I use the studio as a compositional tool.
When it is all where I want it then I have to execute it and
play it all the way through. I used to do all of my solos like
that back in the Dokken days.
In the ’90;s and currently, I just play things a little more
off the seat of my pants. If I have to fix a few things then I
do but I just blow through the whole thing in one pass.
Jeb: Does that make it more freeing to do it that way? Also,
do you think what you have learned from your past experience
helps you to be able to do that now?
George: Composing on the spot comes pretty natural to me. The
studio is the best place in the world to do that because with
ProTools you can edit and you can take something from one spot
to another. You can also do an infinite number of passes as
nothing is destroyed or goes away.
I prefer to record to tape but it is destructive. If I am
going to punch in to a certain section and do it again then I am
erasing that section and it is gone forever. Whatever I did then
had to be better than what I had done before because recording
to tape was destructive. You don’t have that pressure with
ProTools because it is non-destructive.
I’m an old school tape guy. I would rather record to tape for
sound purposes and because I am used to recording that way. It
is a liner process. I think with ProTools people tend to listen
with their eyes and not their ears.
Jeb: You are getting ready to do some dates with Lynch Mob.
Are you going to play any of these new tunes?
George: We are considering doing at least one song. We, as a
band, have to talk about that. The record comes out on the 19th
of July and we have dates from the end of July to the end of
August.
Jeb: You were on That Metal Show on VH1 Classic with Don
Dokken and everyone thought a reunion of the original band was
going to happen. I have to tell you that I never thought it
would happen. Now, it appears I was correct as it does not look
like it will happen.
George: You were right. You and Don knew it all along; the
rest of us were a bunch of tools.
Jeb: I just didn’t think that Don would share the spotlight
with George Lynch.
George: He would not share the spotlight or the money. The
real bottom line is the money. He wouldn’t become a quarter
partner instead of owning the whole thing. That is really it in
a nutshell, the rest is just noise. Anything else that anybody
tells you is bullshit because that is what it is all about.
Jeb: Are you okay with that?
George: I would have liked it to happen. I would have liked
to play with my old friends, Mick [Brown] and Jeff [Pilson] and
I would have liked to play with Don, if he would just kind of
tone it down a little bit. I found out the hard way that that is
never going to happen.
Not to feel sad for him, because he has created this himself,
out of selfishness, but he will never really know the joy of
playing with his friends and building something and going
through hardships together. He won’t know writing songs out of
nothing and making records that you can be proud of and that
people appreciate. He won’t know about enjoying time with his
friends and sharing all of that, whether it is on the road, in
the studio or just hanging out and enjoying each other’s
company.
A band is like your second family and it is really a
beautiful thing. Don will never know that as he isolates himself
and makes himself above other people in his own mind. It is a
lonely place to be.
I have been hit with that sort of thing a lot from my
managers. They feel very strongly that it is silly of me to
divvy up things with the band because it makes it complicated
and they have to worry about three other people. They say that I
should just be a solo artist because my name is just as strong
as the band’s name, if not stronger. I just think that is a
lonely place to be as I wouldn’t want to just play with a bunch
of hired guns. I want to play with my buddies and work really
hard and all share in the reward for the sacrifice. I think that
is kind of the whole point of playing in a band. I always wanted
to play in a band with my friends.
Jeb: As you were describing the Dokken situation I could not
help but think that you were describing the exact opposite of
what you do.
George: The only reason this album is called “George Lynch”
is because London left and we ended up having four singers so it
wasn’t a Souls of We record anymore; we couldn’t call it that.
It is called “George Lynch” but as you see by the pictures on
the CD it is a band. We couldn’t market it that way because it
wasn’t a fair representation of what the album was going to be.
Plus, you get the pressure from the labels. How are they going
to market it? Souls of We doesn’t mean a whole lot to the labels
but my name does. They have a product that they have to sell so
you have to play ball and be practical. It can be tough.
I had this same type of problem with a record I did back in
’99 called Smoke This. It really had nothing to do with
the Lynch Mob but in the 11th hour they flipped on me
and basically had me by the balls. They insisted that we call
the album Lynch Mob because they said radio would answer the
phone when they said “Lynch Mob” but they said they wouldn’t
answer the phone if it was called “Lynch Biscuit” or whatever we
were going to call it. You see this all the time. Tom Morello
will come out and do a new project and nobody cares. Tom is from
Rage Against the Machine, how can you not get that? It really
shows the power of a brand name. If Coke changed their name then
that would not be very smart.
Jeb: You mentioned earlier that you have never done a solo,
instrumental album. Will we ever really get that?
George: It is on my radar from some point next year. It will
probably not be early next year because I have a lot of other
things in the pipeline. I’ve got a record I recorded all the
music to with Jeff Pilson and Mick Brown. We are calling it
Tooth and Nail, that’s Dokken without Don. The record is called
Dump the Chump.
Jeb: No way!
George: Yeah. Don used to show up for rehearsals about half
the time so it would just be the three of us with Jeff singing
and we loved it.
When the Dokken reunion was not going to happen we just said,
“Why don’t we just do this? This is way cooler.” Many years
later, we are doing it and it is just for fun. It is half new
material and it is half old Dokken material. We will finish that
up around the end of the year because Jeff is busy with
Foreigner and I am busy with several things.
I am doing a project called Shadow Train. I am working
with the Documentary Channel on this. It is me and a ragtag
group of guys. We have a guy who is a Native American, a guy
that is an old hippie and we have a Vietnam Vet and we get in
this old Jeep Wagoneer that pulls a 1948 horse trailer with
generators and solar panels. We drive into these reservations in
the Southwest all go all the way up to the Dakotas. We perform
with the Native Americans on the reservations. The music is
totally improvisational, nothing is preplanned. It is so
beautiful and it is such a wonderful thing.
It is a very global theme, politically. We are going to try
to get some superstars involved that are politically active,
like Tom Morello, Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Robbie
Robertson, who is 100% native. We start production in April of
next year.
Jeb: Last one: Did you really try out for Ozzy’s band when
Randy Rhoads tried out?
George: I was up for it three times, seriously up for it. I
was one of a couple of guys being considered.
The most serious was when they flew me to Scotland and I
toured with the band for a little bit. I rehearsed with them in
Texas and then we came back to LA. They had one more person that
they wanted to look at, as a formality, and that was Jake E.
Lee. They ended up going for him and not me.
Jeb: I like the albums Jake was on but I would love to have
heard you jam with them.
George: It was a great choice. They didn’t base it on playing
because he didn’t play very well; I have talked to him about
this many times. It was really based on his looks. He had hair
down to his ass and he wore leathers. He looked amazing and he
moved amazing and that is what they wanted.
Tommy Aldridge and I have talked about this because he was
against having me in the band, which was a very critical
component of their decision. Tommy said that I was really my own
guy and that I wasn’t the kind of guy who fit in well playing
other people’s stuff, which is very true. I am not a good guy to
sit around and play around the campfire because I don’t know any
other songs. I just kind of write my own stuff and do my own
thing.
I didn’t have a pot to piss in and I was living in a little
apartment with my two kids and my wife. I was driving a delivery
truck and was a Teamster. I delivered booze in a really bad part
of town.
I quit my job to go do Ozzy and they weren’t paying me a
nickel. They said it was all good and that I was in. What they
ended up offering me was $200 a week, which was about two and a
half times less than what I was making. It was really sad.
They didn’t sit down with me or anything. Ozzy was in a back
room somewhere just kind of moping to himself. He turned around
and said, “Oh, by the way, we won’t be needing you anymore. We
found somebody else. Goodbye and good luck.” My heart just sank.
I walked outside and shed a tear and my wife told me that it
would be alright.
We came back home and found an eviction notice on our
apartment door. We ended up having to move in with her folks and
I found another job with a company doing the same thing. Then
along came Dokken and the rest is history.