MR. HIGH AND MIGHTY: AN INTERVIEW WITH KEN
HENSLEY
By Jeb Wright
Ken Hensley is back with a new CD and a new band. Ken Hensley
& Live Fire have released their first album, titled Faster.
Ken has been playing with the band for several years live but
this is their first venture into the studio. Hensley has written
a batch of tunes that live up to his past work on Faster.
It is truly a return to the era of Uriah Heep.
In the interview that follows, Ken and I discuss the new
album in-depth, as well as how anger helped fueled his
creativity. We also talk about his animal sanctuary and why the
Uriah Heep album High and Mighty is one of his favorites.
Jeb: Ken Hensley & Live Fire is a great band. I did not see
this release coming.
Ken: I had to go all the way to Norway to find that band. I
live in Spain, and I have learned that the farther north you go,
the more people rock. I was really glad to get the opportunity
to make this record with these guys.
Jeb: You have played with these guys for a while.
Ken: We started playing live about five years ago. We haven’t
done a lot of shows but I always promised them that, one day, we
would go into the studio and make a classic rock record.
In the meantime, I had started writing a totally different
album that was a totally indulgent, singer/songwriter album. It
was totally non-commercial and impossible to market. My manager
and I flew up to Germany to play the band some songs and they
hated it. I ended up signing a deal with Edel in Hamburg. I gave
them the CD and the said, “We love you and we want to push you
back into the marketplace, but we need a rock record from you in
order to do that.” I pulled some songs out of my book and wrote
some new ones and they gave me a budget – not a big one but it
was a budget. Here I was, 65 years old and heading into the
studio with my band to make a record. I had the time of my life.
Everything really fell into place.
What sold the project in the first place were the songs. Max
Edel said all along, “This has nothing to do with your history,
or your age. It just has to do with the songs.” I am only hoping
that this album makes enough impact that I can move on to the
next one.
Jeb: This is a true album. It is a collection of songs that
really fit together. It’s not a concept album by any means, but
each song works well together.
Ken: Blood on the Highway was a concept album that
worked very well. It was conceived that way, and put together
that way. With the new album, I went back to the way that I used
to do it. I would write the songs and take them to rehearsal and
play the songs for the guys. I would ask the guys for their
creative input and they would take ownership of the album.
Because they felt like they were part of it – they are part
of it, financially, as well as spiritually – and that makes a
difference. It was really a throwback to the way we used to make
records in the 1970’s. We combined that with the incredible
technology of today and it was very fun, warts and all. I feel
like it worked.
Jeb: Let’s talk about the song “Set Me Free (From
Yesterday).” I hope you don’t mind me saying that this is the
most classic sounding Uriah Heep song that you’ve written in a
long, long time.
Ken: I have no problem with that at all. That was a brand new
song. There were a couple of songs that were already in my book.
“Set Me Free” was a completely new song.
I started out playing all of these little riffs on the guitar
and, one day, I figured out that they all kind of fit together.
I knew that was going to be the opening song on our album and it
is the opening song in our live show as well.
I had a huge smile on my face when I was making this album. I
was breaking a lot of rules and playing balls out rock n’ roll.
Jeb: Was it good for you to create in that realm again?
Ken: It was totally fun. I wanted it to be fun. The business
of music is serious but recording music should be fun.
The live performance is between you and the audience, and it
contains a constant ebb and flow, back and forth, from each
other. People can pick up when it is fun and that is important.
Jeb: I put this in my iPod and I was listening to it. I
thought I must have hit shuffle when “I Cry Alone” came on. I
thought I had switched to Gary Moore.
Ken: That has been commented on before, and I was aware that
was going to happen. It was deliberate; I placed that lead where
it would have the most impact. I wasn’t worried about the
comparisons because “Still Got the Blues” is not a bad thing to
be compared too. It is a great piece of music.
Jeb: You’re guitar player knows his stuff.
Ken: Ken [Ingwersen] is a great guitar player. The highlight
for me, concerning Ken, was the second song on the album, “The
Curse.” It starts out as a little shuffle but it gets
progressive at the end. I can listen to the solo he played on
that one all day long. That is a magic moment for me.
Jeb: Tell me about “Beyond the Stars.”
Ken: I wrote that song about three years ago. It has some
roots in my Christian beliefs. I believe that God is going to
get fed up with what we are doing to his world and come and take
it back. It also has echoes of “The Magician’s Birthday” in it;
good versus evil and that kind of stuff. I tried to come at the
same subject from a different angle.
Jeb: The bonus track you included is with the Norwegian Radio
Orchestra. “Circle of Hands” is one of my favorite Uriah Heep
songs. Did you record more songs with the orchestra?
Ken: Actually, we recorded three songs with the orchestra. We
recorded “July Morning,” “The Last Dance” from Blood on the
Highway, and “Circle of Hands.”
We are going to record 12 songs with that orchestra next year
at the end of March. They will be 12 Uriah Heep songs and it
will be a double live CD.
A friend of mine in Norway is the number one radio
personality in that country. His show, translated, is called
The Men’s Department. They were celebrating fifteen years of
this show and he called and asked me if we would do these songs.
It was done for a TV show as well. I had a DVD of it that I gave
to my manager. He mentioned it to Max at Edel. When Max heard it
he said, “I have to have this on the album.” By the time they
approved it, we didn’t have time to remix it. We took the mix we
got and mastered it with everything else. It will be coming out
on DVD later in the year. It hatched the idea to do the double
live CD of Uriah Heep songs. It will be recorded in March of
2012 and will be released when the powers that be say it will be
released. I am really looking forward to it as I can’t describe
to you want a wonderful experience it was.
Jeb: Has anyone said that your singer sounds like Uriah
Heep’s Bernie Shaw?
Ken: To tell you the truth, no. I am not surprised to hear
that comparison because both Bernie and Eirikur [Hauksson] have
the awesome task to fit into David Byron’s shoes.
Jeb: That is not easy to do. I think he does Byron well on
“Circle of Hands.”
Ken: I thought he did a great job on “Circle of Hands.”
Eirikur is a singer, who is capable of doing many things. I have
not spent a lot of time coaching him, but now that we have made
this record together, we have spent some time together. I
coached him some in the studio.
He has been in cover bands all his life. For any singer that
spends the majority of their time in cover bands, it is a
horrible thing to break out of. When you give somebody like that
a set of original songs, then you need to coach them, and get
them to cut loose. You need to get them to take possession of
the song and do it there way. It is awfully difficult. I have
worked with musicians of all calibers, in all countries, who
have been in that box for such a long time that it is hard to
get them to break out of it. I have to encourage Eric to allow
his own personality to come through.
Jeb: I am a friend of Mick Box. He plays under the Uriah Heep
name. You wrote most of the songs that were Heep’s hits. Is it
challenging to balance your past with Heep, without that Heep
moniker, and make new music?
Ken: First of all, Heep was the point in my career where all
of my dreams came true. I realized all of the things that I had
wanted to do for such a long time. I’m deeply thankful for that
time. I grew a lot in that period and I grew a lot more in the
time period right after Heep. I developed all of my writing
habits and my performing habits during that time with Heep. It
was a springboard for me.
There was a point, ten years ago, when I had to make a conscious
decision of what to do. I had people who were pushing me to use
the name “Uriah Heep.” They would tell me they were my songs and
that I deserved it. For me, it wasn’t about legal trademarks and
all of that; it was that I didn’t want to stay with one foot in
the past. I wanted to see if I could get by on my own. It took a
long time before I got comfortable with that. I didn’t want to
tell an audience that they were going to get one thing and then
give them something else. The bottom line was that I wanted to
see if I could stand on my own. It was the only way, for me, to
have creative freedom to do what I wanted to do.
I just finished a new record and it is an album of songs that
are very uncommercial, as I said before. I wouldn’t have the
freedom to do that if I locked myself into the past. First and
foremost, I am a songwriter. I wanted the liberty, the freedom
and the unrestricted space without any preconceptions. I have to
let it flow naturally. I turned down some commercial advantages
that were offered to me in an effort to stay free from all of
that.
Jeb: Which song on the new album, lyrically, is the most
personal to you?
Ken: I will answer your question very specifically…It’s the
“End of Never.” After the head of the old label shrugged his
shoulders and said that he didn’t get it, after hearing my new
songs, I got so angry that I went away and wrote that song. If
you read the lyrics you can see that it is really pointed at
him.
Funny enough, that song has a word in it that I would usually
never use in a song. I left it there because it was really how I
felt at the time. The reason this guy gets the credit on the
album cover is because it really stirred up a lot in me and I
started to write the other songs that are on the album. He
actually made this record happen.
Jeb: Tell me about “Fill Your Heads with Rock” as that is not
so deep, lyrically.
Ken: I wrote that one for the Sweden Rock Festival, as that
was the theme for the festival that year. When I was looking for
songs for this album, I pulled that one out and it worked great.
It is a little bit rebellious, which I think is okay. It says
that there is nothing wrong with rock n’ roll, no matter what
people try to say, or how they try to tarnish it. It is a
straight-ahead rock n’ roll song.
Jeb: I heard you have started an animal sanctuary.
Ken: We have a place where we rescue abandoned dogs and cats.
We keep some of them as pets and we find homes for some of them.
We get them fixed up, neutered and treated by a veterinarian. We
give them a good life. Now, we have sheep and goats. It has
turned out to be a fully-fledged animal farm. Fortunately, it is
generously kept running by the people that donate to our charity
that is set up to finance the cost of what we do. Generally, my
wife takes care of it. We have a farm employee that takes care
of the animals. We are doing a lot of fun things out there. We
are growing, and sharing, organic vegetables and fruit. We are
doing a lot of really cool things. That is one of the reasons
why I miss home so much now.
Jeb: Last one: If you throw out Magician’s Birthday
and Demons and Wizards, what is your greatest moment,
outside of those moments in Uriah Heep.
Ken: That’s a sneaky question! To be honest, musically
speaking, it was probably High and Mighty because it was
like making a solo album with the band. I think some of my best
songs are on that album. It was a commercial failure. It was
dismally under promoted. It wasn’t even released in the States.
Historically, I would have to say Look at Yourself, as
that was the album that really broke us in the States. You move
on from there and we get our first Gold record, I remember that
moment very, very clearly but, musically, I’m more attached to
High and Mighty.