Pat Travers is one of many artists from the 1970’s that had
an easier time recording and performing music than he did being
a businessman in the music industry. Travers should have been
much bigger than he was. That said he still had two amazing
albums in Live! Go For What You Know and Crash and
Burn. Travers hard work was paying off and he was finally
selling Gold then came the 1980’s.
If it were not for Shrapnel Records owner Mike Varney keeping
Pat recording then Travers may have faded into obscurity. His
record sales were low in numbers and his new music nonexistent
on FM radio. Despite the bleak conditions, Travers soldiered on
doing what it took to stay on the road playing music.
One might think Pat Travers would have given up by 2011. But,
then again, one must know Pat Travers to better understand why
he didn’t pack it in. Instead of accepting the way things are,
Travers took the bull by horns and is embraced new technology to
bypass the music industry and get in direct contact with his fan
base. Pat is very active on Facebook and he has a very
affordable fan club on his website that get access to Pat and
rare songs, demos and sound board recording of concerts. Pat
will even do a one-on-one guitar session on Skype with those
interested in hiring him.
Jeb: I have heard you are doing guitar lessons on your
website?
Pat: I don’t want to call them lessons. I have been doing
martial arts and you call your teacher a sensei. That is just a
word that means ‘one who has come before you.’ I want to be a
sensei for guitar players. You may have a teenage daughter or
son who is starting to play guitar. You can book thirty minutes
with me and I am able to get them to play better with just a day
or two of practice. Another person may be a professional guitar
player but they have gotten into a rut and they need someone to
help them remember the true passion they have for playing. We
all have this true passion but sometimes it can elude us. If you
want to be a player and enjoy music then there are ways to go
about that and I can help with that. Whether you’re a beginner
or a pro you’re going to get something in that thirty-minutes.
Jeb: How do you conduct these sessions?
Pat: I do them on Skype. People have Skype-a-phobia. It is
great to be able to see and hear me while I am playing. We can
talk to each other during that time as well. I had this thought
about a year ago and I was trying to find the right medium to
use for my one-on-one sessions. I have found that Skype is the
best thing to use. It’s free too. You can call any computer in
the world for free. You can also use it like a phone and the
maximum they charge you to call the most remote place in the
world is like two cents a minute. I bet you could call the space
station [laughter].
Jeb: What is the cost for a one-on-one session?
Pat: I have a fan club and they call themselves the
Hammerheads. If you belong to that, which is $2.95 a month, then
it is $250 for a half hour one-on-one session. If you’re not a
Hammerhead then it is $300. So, it is better to join as it is
only $2.95 a month and you get a lot of cool stuff being a
member. You can also stop anytime you want. You don’t have to go
for a year or anything like that. You will get hooked though. If
I am working on a song or I find an old demo or something then I
put it up on the site.
The Hammerhead site came online at the end of October. We are
starting to figure out what we are doing. I have done two live
television shows from my house and we are planning to do another
one really soon. I have a link on my Pat Traver’s Facebook site
and on
www.pattravers.com
that is to Youtube for a new song I have called “I’ll Never Let
You Go.” We put a video up and it is a brand new song. My wife
and daughter did these doo-wop vocals on it that are really
cool. This song is available to everyone but in the future this
will be exclusive to the Hammerhead’s. I will put new songs up
on iTunes but you will have to pay for it as a download. You
will get it for free if you’re a fan club member. You get a lot
of things for free as a fan club member. You can get sound
checks and meet and greets and whatever else I can make
available.
Jeb: Tell me about the Hammerhead logo.
Pat: Every organization has a great logo so I was trying to
come up with a logo. I didn’t come up with the name Hammerheads,
they did. I wrote a song years ago called “Hammerhead” that was
basically an excuse for Tommy Aldridge to do a drum solo. A
couple of weeks before we had gone deep sea fishing off the
coast of Miami and I reeled in a great big Hammerhead shark.
Anyway, I needed a logo and I wasn’t coming up with anything.
I figured someone would throw me a bitching logo but it never
happened. So, one night I just hand drew a shark that I liked
and I had my daughter take a picture of my favorite Paul Reed
Smith guitar and my son, Elijah, found a cool font. We put the
three files up as separate attachments in the fan club site and
this individual named Kelly had photo shop and he put them all
together. It really looks wonderful. It was great to get the
fans involved and we are having these official cards and
t-shirts made up with it on there. It is really slick. We are
having a competition with this new song called “I’ll Never Let
You Go” on the Hammerhead site. The guitar solo section has been
taken off and the fans can record their own section and send it
in. It doesn’t have to be guitar; it can be anything they want.
They can send it in as an MP3 and we will put it online for
people to hear. We will have a show of hands online to see which
one they like best and I have a Paul Reed Smith guitar that I am
going to give the winning Hammerhead as a prize.
Jeb: One of the challenges is finding the Pat Travers fans
that are out there and letting them know what is going on.
Pat: Exactly, it is called coalescing your fan base. My web
guru that I have made me a list of five things that I had to do
and number one was coalescing my fan base. I got really involved
on Facebook and we have over thirteen thousand people that like
us. Before that I had zero. I have done all of these things and
they’re starting to pay off. The best thing is that I am in
charge and I can do things on my time. The new song was done in
under an hour.
Jeb: I saw you at Moondance Jam last year and you’re current
band is the best you have had since the glory days. The future
is looking brighter for Pat Travers than it did even ten years
ago.
Pat: I was like a lot of people, I was used to hard work and
slugging it out and doing whatever it took to get it done. That
didn’t seem to work anymore. It wasn’t until Monica, my wife,
put up a Facebook page for me, just over a year ago, that things
started changing. We got up to a couple of hundred friends and
she was pretending to be me as I stood over her shoulder.
Finally, one day I just got on there and started putting up
funny, oblique nonsense up there. I was just curious to find out
what the responses would be. Initially, people were going, “This
isn’t Pat Travers” but it was. Now people know it is really me.
I don’t even have to tell them anymore because the other people
on Facebook let them know it is really me and that is really
cool.
Jeb: How is the band doing?
Pat: Our band has been through the ringer. We have gone into
some bad situations with our heads held high and came out
looking good. We’ve had a lot of willpower. I think a lot of
others would have given up where we kept going. This is really
true of the Fidelis album that we recorded in the summer
of 2008. The record company kind of fell apart and the money
stopped flowing. It was scary because it was one of the best
albums we had ever done. To see that it was not going to happen
was really disappointing. We got it together and we used Sean
Shannon’s recording studio, RedRoom, to finish all the overdubs.
One song was re-recorded completely there. We got it done and it
does exist and you can order it on Amazon.com and you can
download it on itunes.
I think you can get it from the record label called Alexus; I
have had a falling out with them. If you go to them then I think
you can get a copy of the finished product. I don’t know what
his intentions are and it really sucks how they have handled it
because it is a really good album. We have some at shows that
people can buy as well. If you order it from Amazon then you
don’t get the liner notes. I am thinking of putting the liner
notes up on my site so people can download them from there. That
is the best I can do for now.
I have a new album that I am working on and we will have a
slew of new downloads that will be available from iTunes. This
stuff may not even go on an album; it is stuff that is
different. It is stuff that gets recorded but never gets
listened to unless you are my wife. If it doesn’t get put on an
album then it just sits and why it didn’t get finished I don’t
know but some of this stuff is really good. That will also be
available for the fan club. We are also putting up board mixes
from some of the shows because we found there are a lot of
people who like that sort of thing. I also forgot to mention
that if you become a Hammerhead then you can actually ask me
questions and I will personally answer them. You just send the
message to me and I will respond if you’re in the fan club.
Jeb: That is so cool.
Pat: We talk with people in Japan, Brazil, and England and
all over the world. By this time next year I am going to have
stuff on the Hammerhead site where you will be able to learn how
to play this lick or that lick. I will also have a five minute
section, for instance, of “Snortin’ Whiskey” where I show people
the proper way to play the opening lick. When I see other people
play it they don’t quite get it; it is a little more country
than you think. There are some nuances in there and that is what
I am wanting to convey because that is what makes it all
different. We all play a minor third to the root but not like BB
King does it. It is two notes, for instance, a C to an A, but
the way BB does it has attack and vibrato and it is just
different. These are the types of things we talk about on the
one-on-ones. I will show people where to look in order to find
their own style.
Jeb: A lot of people compliment you on your lead playing but
I want to say I think you are a kick ass rhythm player. There
are times you play guitar like a Motown horn player.
Pat: That would be an inspiration that I have concerning
voicing and cadence. I do think about that a lot and I try to
use that as a guide. I will actually think, “What would four
horns in unison sound like here?”
Jeb: I know you got inspired by Jimi Hendrix but who else
inspired you?
Pat: I was not just a Hendrix freak by any stretch of the
imagination. Hendrix was Hendrix but Jeff Beck was Jeff Beck and
Johnny Winter was Johnny Winter. Do you think anybody has ever
tapped Johnny Winter on the back and said, “Oh I’m sorry I
thought you were somebody else.” That has never happened. He is
that recognizable by the way he plays as well. When you hear him
then you know it is Johnny Winter, well not so much now but
clear into the 1990’s he was playing a hundred miles an hour and
every phrase was amazing. He had a ton of enthusiasm and
passion. He is the genuine article.
Johnny Winter is second-generation original bluesman; he
really is. He is from Beaumont, Texas. He was 25 years old when
his first album came out and that was 1969 or something like
that. There were still first generation electric blues players
that he saw and that he played with. He was playing with these
great black players and he was the whitest guy on the earth. How
ironic is that? I was lucky enough to meet him twice. We never
got to jam together but I would have loved to sit with him with
two acoustic guitars and I would play rhythm and he would play
slide. That would have been so great.
Jeb: Tell me how hard you had to work to get to the point
where you had a full time career in music? Also, how did Tommy
Aldridge come to be in your band?
Pat: I don’t know; I was a young man and I was unencumbered.
For instance, when I came up with the riff to “Heat in the
Street” it was just fun. I had that riff in England at the end
of ’77. We moved back to the US at the end of 1978. Tommy
Aldridge joined our band sight unseen that year. I saw him play
a drum solo on TV and I thought he was awesome. My manager at
the time was English and he had worked with Black Sabbath. Black
Sabbath and Black Oak Arkansas had done a bunch of dates
together. My manager told me one day that he could get in touch
with Tommy because we didn’t have a drummer; it was just Mars
Cowling and myself.
We were in New York City in January of 1978 and “Heat in the
Street” was one of the new songs we were doing. We met with
Tommy and he made me realize that one of the bars in the riff
was missing a beat. Well, I knew it was there because I played
it but I never even thought about one of the bars being short a
beat. Well, Tommy could not get it. Not only could he not get it
--- there are two different riffs, the main one and the one in
the chorus --- the main one is faster and the chorus was longer
but they are the same thing. It was no big deal to me. But Tommy
couldn’t get it. We were counting to twelve and to thirteen and
I said, “Guys we don’t need to count that high. How are we ever
going to ever get a groove if we sit around counting that high?”
Finally, he just got it. I realized that trying to tell him how
to count it to play it was the wrong idea. He just had to
memorize it and have fun with it. It is one of those songs that
you can over think what it actually is.
Jeb: I love the album cover to Heat in the Street.
Pat: My manager approached the Miami Police Department
Benevolence Society and got them to let us take a couple of
rental cars and block off the meters on Biscayne Boulevard so we
could get started early the next morning, shooting the shot. The
police also stopped traffic a couple of times for us and let
their cars be in the shot. We were there about three hours. The
ladies that were dressed like cops were just actors. My
girlfriend at the time, Suzi McKinley, is in the back of the
limousine. People used to ask me, “Is that Steven Tyler?” I
never told her people said that.
Jeb: Another cool shot for an album cover is the Live Go
For What You Know.
Pat: We needed a good shot for the cover of the live album
and I think that it was something about me not liking anything
they had or something was wrong but we needed a shot. The funny
thing about that cover is that the picture of me is not live in
concert at all. I was in New York and they sent me to a
photographer and he put me on a little wooden box about four
feet square. They had lights above me and they rented a black
Les Paul guitar from Manny’s or somewhere. There weren’t any
amps or music and I just faked it. I just closed my eyes and got
into it; that is my secret. I do that in the studio too. I just
close my eyes and get into it.
Jeb: Why do you think the live album was the one to break you
big?
Pat: At the time I had no idea because I couldn’t hear it.
Now I hear it. It really jumps out at you like some kind of
snake. It is very fast and vicious. That album really has a lot
of energy.
Jeb: That band was so damn good that I don’t know how you
ever got bands to let you be their opening act.
Pat: Our first tour was with Rush and they did a really long
set. We had to go on really early at night and play strictly
thirty minutes. I knew people were sitting down and showing up
but I wanted them to remember us. I told the guys that the
fucking place would be packed and that we didn’t need to worry
about that. I told them we had thirty minutes and that there
would be no talking between songs. We just packed all we could
into thirty minutes.
I knew that everybody that was walking in those doors was
going to be getting their very first image of us so I knew we
had to be peddle to the meddle the entire time. We had to be
that good even if there was nobody there or even if they were
just looking for their seats. I wanted them to look up and see
four guys onstage playing with all of their might. By the time
we got closer to the end of our set the place was starting to
fill up so I would move into “Hammerhead” or “Boom Boom (Out Go
the Lights).” Tommy had a drum solo and he always looked great
doing it. We were very aware of every second of that thirty
minutes we had onstage.
Jeb: Crash and Burn had “Snortin’ Whiskey” on it but
the title song is an incredible song.
Pat: I got that guitar riff from my friend Derek O’Neil, who
passed away a year ago. He was in the first two-guitar band that
we ever put together.
Jeb: You do cool remakes as well. Going clear back to the
first album you even have a JJ Cale song. On Crash you
remade “Born Under A Band Sign” and you had “Is This Love” by
Bob Marley. That shows you have a wide array of music that you
listen to.
Pat: Well, they are both pretty bluesy. I have never thought
of it that way but yeah, we were a jam band. “Born Under A Bad
Sign” was just a huge jam but “Is This Love” had to be
structured throughout the entire song. We tried to do it live a
few times but we never really got it to work. I have a DVD that
has that on it from the Hammersmith Odeon with Tommy, Mars and
me. I should stick that on the Hammerhead site. I found it the
other day and it is just a mono recording but I can probably
take it into the studio and make it sound better.
Jeb: I have heard you are one of the few rockers to ever sue
a record company and win your case.
Pat: Well, no I didn’t. I made a threat of a lawsuit that
they, by their own admission, knew they couldn’t win. It would
have tied me up from recording and performing for a long time
and I couldn’t afford the attorneys. They knew I couldn’t sue
them; it was a Mexican standoff. They knew they wouldn’t win the
lawsuit but they knew it would tie me up for about a year. I
wasn’t very old then so I wasn’t going to miss out on recording
and playing at that time.
Jeb: Tell me about the co-headline tour you did with Rainbow.
Pat: That was interesting. I had cut my hair really, really
short and I wished that I had not done that. Back then there was
a lot of things that I wish I had not done. It would have been a
much better tour experience for me if I had not done some of
that stuff. I remember hearing “Hush” with Ritchie Blackmore
when I was fourteen years old. It was magic to me. He played
with such great vibrato and it was so unique. I was a huge fan
of his. To be on a co-headlining tour with him was amazing. I
actually was the headliner on some of those shows but to be
honest I really didn’t enjoy that tour.
Jeb: I have heard rumblings of a tour with Ronnie Montrose
and Mark Farner.
Pat: We’re going to play together. It will be my band with
Ronnie Montrose, Mark Farner and myself. I am not sure when our
first date is but I knew we have about eight dates. They are
going to be adding more all the time. We are having some
artistic differences with one of the members. I want to do it
one way and somebody else wants to do it another way. The way
that I see it would be really good for casinos and fairs. It
would be Pat Travers tunes with all of those great Montrose
songs and Grand Funk Railroad songs. Ronnie and I will play our
Les Pauls in open E tuning on “Bad Motor Scooter” and Mark will
sing it. You should hear Mark sing “Bad Motor Scooter” he sings
his ass off on that song.
Jeb: Last one: I love the album Hot Shot but I have
heard you do not.
Pat: I like a bunch of the songs on there but there are songs
I don’t like. The songs I don’t like are the songs that I didn’t
write. “Living on the Edge of Love” and the others I didn’t
write and the record company wanted them on there because they
were supposed to be hits but they were not.
Jeb: What about “Killer”?
Pat: I loved “Killer” but I wrote that one. It was a total ZZ
Top rip off. I knew when I wrote it that it was a total ZZ top
rip off but I just didn’t care because I just loved that song.