THE LAST IN LINE: AN INTERVIEW WITH DIO
DISCIPLE SIMON WRIGHT
By Jeb Wright
Former DIO band members Simon Wright, Rudy Sarzo, Scott
Warren and Craig Goldy have teamed up with vocalists Toby Jepson
and Tim “Ripper” Owens to form Dio Disciples. Wright, Sarzo,
Goldy and Warren played in DIO for years and feel the times is
right for them to retake the stage and allow the masses to
continue to enjoy Ronnie James Dio’s music in a live setting.
The world of Metal will never totally get over the death of
their elder statesmen. He leaves behind a legacy of music that
includes many of Metal’s greatest moments including the songs
“Man on the Silver Mountain,” “Long Live Rock n’ Roll,” “Heaven
and Hell,” “Neon Nights,” “Children of the Sea,” “Rainbow in the
Dark,” “The Last in Line” and “We Rock.” He also leaves behind a
legacy of friendship, and mentorship, to all who played music
with him.
In this interview, former AC/DC and DIO drummer Simon Wright
explains how Dio Disciples came to be and what their goals are
going forward. We also discuss, in-depth, his friendship with
Ronnie, how he came to live in his house for over a decade, and
what the man and the music meant to them.
Dio Disciples are hitting the road, keeping the music alive
and reminding us what an icon Ronnie James Dio was, is and
always will be.
Jeb: I am excited to hear about your new band, Dio Disciples,
but I have to admit I wish we were talking about the new Ronnie
James Dio album instead.
Simon: My sentiments exactly, it is a sad thing but something
tells us we are doing the right thing.
Jeb: How did the band come together?
Simon: I don’t exactly remember when we came up with it; we
always seemed to be thinking of it. As more time went by, we
really thought we should sit down and discuss it and try to make
it a viable thing. We just couldn’t let it go. Ronnie was such a
big part of all of our lives. I was in his band for fourteen
years. We felt this was the right time to do it; we really
wanted to get moving on this thing.
Jeb: Who came up with the name?
Simon: I can’t remember who came up with it. It developed out
of a couple of other names and then it came together. It works,
doesn’t it? It brings everyone together as we are all Dio
Disciples. Ronnie’s fans were that way too. Ronnie always wanted
to bring everyone together to honor his music. This will give
the fans the chance to hear his music, once again, in a big live
setting.
Jeb: Wendy Dio has been doing great things to keep Ronnie’s
legacy alive, however, there are a lot of, what I call Jack
Wads, out there who are saying mean things about her being a
gold digger. Now, you are in the situation, with this band,
where people can say the same thing about you. How do you feel
about that?
Simon: [laughing] Everybody has an opinion, and it can either
be a good one or a bad one. I’m trying to be very diplomatic
about this. We are really doing this from the heart and if some
of those naysayers would just give it a small chance then they
might just like it. We’re doing this for all of the right
reasons. We all knew Ronnie, we really knew him. He was my best
friend for a long time; that is not to take anything away from
anyone else in the band. I’m not saying I am the holy best
friend. I know why I’m doing this and I know why the rest of the
guys in the band are doing this. We’re all doing it because we
loved Ronnie. He wrote some of the most groundbreaking, classic
epics in heavy Metal. He was our leader and he was our boss. He
was a cool boss at that. This is not brain surgery. We are doing
this to honor him, so if you like the songs then come check it
out; that’s all. If anyone out there does not think that this is
a good idea then don’t go to the shows. It’s that simple.
Jeb: Ronnie set up his business before he passed away in
order to keep his legacy alive. Do you think Ronnie would give
his approval on this band?
Simon: I believe it would have been something that he would
have approved of. He approved of the record company and all of
the things Wendy is doing. Everything that Wendy and he talked
about has all come to light. It is really a shame that he is not
alive to see it. He wanted the record company and he worked it
all out before he died. I wish we didn’t have to do this
project. I wish we were not having this conversation. I wish we
were talking about a new Dio record, like you said earlier.
Jeb: Have you thought ahead to the moment you are onstage and
you’re playing these songs live without Ronnie there?
Simon: I have not thought that far ahead, I must admit. I
have been too wrapped up in the first step, which is the
rehearsals and getting the songs right. It will probably hit me
once we’re about to go on. The fans will be there and that is a
whole different situation.
It can be boring as hell rehearsing but the thing that
matters is getting these songs out in front of the fans. Toby
[Jepson] is doing a great job, as is Ripper [Owens]. They are
not trying to emulate Ronnie but rather are doing their best to
honor him.
It, honestly, has not hit me yet; I’ll cross that bridge when
I come to it.
Jeb: Will Dio Disciples honor all of Ronnie’s music, from
Rainbow to Sabbath to his solo career?
Simon: We’re trying to do that. We have to play “Heaven and
Hell,” “Holy Diver,” “We Rock” and “Rainbow in the Dark.” We
have always played the hits but we’re trying to bring in a
couple of special things, at the moment. As we do more shows
then we will hopefully bring in some other songs that were never
done live or perhaps have not been done live in a long, long
time. We feel that would make it very special. We will just have
to see how this all progresses.
Jeb: There is some Magica music that has not been
released and I have heard that there may be some songs in the
vault… would Dio Disciples be an avenue to play any of the
unreleased music?
Simon: There has been a little bit of talk about that. There
are some songs but we’re leaving that up to Wendy. Wendy is in
charge of everything Ronnie. We’re not sure exactly when, and
if, that will happen. There is a lot of stuff going on in this
band. There could be some things we can do for Wendy and
Ronnie’s cancer fund that will probably happen. It has been
discussed but it is not something we are doing at this point.
Jeb: The last time I talked to Ronnie he said the Magica
stuff he was working on was better than the first Magica
album.
Simon: What I heard, and what we were working on, was very,
very cool. He was even working on it when he was sick.
Jeb: You and Ronnie were very, very close. What was it about
Ronnie James Dio that made you want to join him? You left AC/DC
to join Dio.
Simon: There were some other reasons behind that…but yes,
Ronnie is special. The first time I met Ronnie was in 1984. It
was many years before I ever thought about joining his band. I
was with AC/DC and we were playing one of those Monsters of Rock
shows. It was like AC/DC, the Scorpions and Van Halen, what a
great lineup. In 1984, they moved it out of Castle Donington for
the first time and traveled it around to other places in Europe.
I met Ronnie backstage at one of the shows. I was just wondering
around backstage and he just walked up to me and introduced
himself and said hello. I was like, “Wow, Ronnie James Dio just
talked to me!”
He was a very smart guy who was very funny. He was just super
intelligent. After I got to know him I joined the band. He had
the biggest heart and the greatest memory in the world. He was
the quickest thinking guy that I have ever met in my life. There
was something very special about him, and then there was the
voice.
He helped me out a lot over the years. I went through a messy
divorce and I was going to leave the band and was totally in a
bad place. Ronnie told me not to think about it and that I could
stay in his house. He told me not to worry about it. I turned
around and it is like 11 years later and I was still living in
his house. We got along great. We would watch sports and hang
out. It was great. I was completely heartbroken when he died. It
was a complete nightmare. Apart from the death of my own father,
it is the worst thing to ever happen in my life. Ronnie was like
a father to me.
Jeb: You were the houseguest that would not leave!
Simon: [laughter] Eleven years. I moved out a couple of times
but I always ended up going back and hanging out there. We
worked in the house a lot. If we weren’t building something then
we were hanging out getting drunk. We also worked on music in
the house. Craig [Goldy] would stay there a lot too. We would
work on the demos for the albums in the house. We really worked
well together in that environment. There was always something
going on; the wheels were always in motion.
Jeb: I think Ronnie’s legend overshadowed his dedication to
his fans.
Simon: Ronnie was completely dedicated to his fans. We would
stop in the weirdest places so he could talk to fans and shake
hands. He had the greatest memory, as he would remember their
name and how their brother was. The fans were number one for
him. We would be on the road and we would be finished with the
show but there was another three and a half hours of him meeting
fans and signing autographs – even if it was pissing down rain.
He was totally dedicated to his fans and to the music. He never
gave up as that was his job and that is what he did. He
instilled that in Craig and me and a lot of other people. He was
a workhorse; he was a workaholic. He did things in a smart way,
though. His craft was everything to him.
Jeb: He loved sports too.
Simon: He loved the New York Giants. He actually loved all
sports. My favorite team was the Manchester United and he knew
more about them then I did. He would show me scores and stats
and tell me what happened in the game. He had a great ability to
retain information.
Jeb: I wonder if he would have been taller if he would’ve
pursued a career in sports. If he had any talent for sports and
he had the same drive then nothing could have stopped him.
Simon: He loved basketball. I am only about as tall as he
was. I might be a quarter of an inch taller. Nothing would have
stopped him, that’s for sure.
Jeb: Ronnie never flew the flag for his ego. However, he did
a ton for charity, and still does from beyond the grave.
Simon: He always thought that was an important part of being
in his position. He thought it was very important to give back.
He has his cancer charity but he was also involved in
Children of the Night that raised money to help runaways. He
also did Hear N’ Aid. He and Wendy both felt it was very
important that since they were in the position to help people
that they do it.
Jeb: He was not all serious, though. I have heard he was
funny.
Simon: He was a riot; he was a funny guy. Ronnie would always
come up with these one-liners. He had little sayings that were
peculiar. He had a good wit and a wicked sense of humor. I
really miss him.
Jeb: You must still be grieving his loss. I am sorry to bring
that up.
Simon: It’s okay. When I first heard the news we were all in
pieces. We were like, “What the hell are we going to do now?” I
was just hanging at the house that day. It became like a job to
Ronnie to get better. He would clap his hands and say, “Okay,
we’ve got a job to do.” I was like, “I will help you the best I
can.” He would say, “That’s great. Thank God for that, those are
the words I wanted to hear.” When he died it was very, very,
very rough.
Ronnie instilled in us a great work ethic. You have got to
get on with things. You’ve got to start getting out of this big
slump. We’ve got to rise out of this and start working again.
That is what Ronnie was all about. He was all about working and
the music and doing something productive. If Ronnie wasn’t
making up a melody for a song then he was doing a crossword or
he was watching sports. He never just sat and looked out of a
window. He was always doing something and that was a great
inspiration to me. When I would think about that, and how he
was, then it would get me out of my slump and back into life. He
wouldn’t want me to sit around and be upset about this for the
rest of my life. He would have wanted me to get on with my life.
Jeb: What do you take from Ronnie, that you learned, into Dio
Disciples?
Simon: There are so many things…the dedication of being in a
band. You can’t let little things slip when you play. You’ve got
to play perfectly, which is impossible but you can try. That is
the way Ronnie was. He was always striving to be the best. I
think that is what drives us on.
Jeb: It had to be hard to get a vocalist for this band.
Simon: We discussed it and we all had ideas. There were
different vocalists that we thought about, I don’t want to
mention names because I don’t want to detract from what we are
talking about.
Tim [Ripper Owens] has always been a friend of Ronnie’s.
Wendy manages Tim. Tim got thrown right in the deep end with
Priest. I think he handled himself well but he was in an
opportunity to ask Ronnie for advice back then. Ronnie would
talk to him and help him.
Tim first met Ronnie in Cleveland when the band was playing
with Motorhead. They found a connection. You can’t help but get
along with Ronnie. Tim’s name was an obvious one to think of.
Jeb: We all know he sounds like Rob Halford. But Halford does
not sound like Dio. Does Ripper have to sing in a different way?
Simon: He still is Tim. When we sat down to do the band we
decided that we didn’t want to get a Ronnie clone because that
would just seem like we were just trying to be a cover band or a
tribute band. We’re not a tribute band as we were members of his
band for a long time. Tim brings to the songs what it needs; not
just trying to sound like him. He has great power and range and
it is sounds really, really great. He is not trying to emulate
Ronnie. The other singer, Toby, is also sounding great. They
really work well together.
Jeb: You are doing some dates across the pond. Then what?
Simon: We’re going to do the European thing first. We are
taking in a lot of festivals like Download. Hopefully, in
September, we will be doing a full-blown American tour. We will
get around as much as we can. That is about all we’ve got at the
moment.
Jeb: Do have the longest career of playing with Ronnie?
Simon: Actually, no, that would be Scott Warren. He has been
playing keyboards for Ronnie for a long, long time. I think he
has been there fifteen years.
Jeb: Last one: Can you share a special moment that you shared
with Ronnie.
Simon: Ronnie is a big sports fan. When Italy won the World
Cup, we were in a sports bar in an airport. Ronnie just started
punching the air and laughing. He was having a great time. It is
an image of Ronnie that I have always loved.
There are plenty of proud moments as well. We headlined the
Wacken Open Air Festival in Germany. When we were done Wendy
told us to stay on the stage. They came out and gave Ronnie a
lifetime achievement award for his contribution to Metal. There
were 40,000 Metal heads all screaming, “DIO…DIO...DIO.” That was
amazing.
Jeb: This is really the last one: On paper most people would
say that your crowing achievement for you, personally, would be
the years you spent playing drums for AC/DC. I would guess they
are wrong.
Simon: You’re right, looking on paper, it does look like
that. I don’t want to take anything away from my years with
AC/DC as they were wonderful. Looking back, I wish I ‘d been
older as I was just a kid who was thrown into this rock n’ roll
washing machine. A lot of it was unnerving and scary. The lads
in the band were very good to me; they were good mates. It was
great and I had some great times. They are still an incredible
band but my days in DIO were fantastic days. I will never forget
them; they were something special.
There was a family atmosphere and that was apparent early on
when I joined the band. We were the Dio family. It was something
that I was really comfortable with. It became very important to
me. Those were my most productive and happiest years, I would
think.