EVERYTHING LOUDER THAN EVERYTHING ELSE! AN
INTERVIEW WITH NEAL SMITH
By Jeb Wright
Neal Smith has had a busy year. Not only did
he release the second in a series of albums, this one titled
Killsmith Two, he performed on Alice Cooper’s new album
Welcome 2 My Nightmare and he was inducted into the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame as part of the original Alice Cooper Group.
Smith, always recognized for his drumming ability, also plays
guitar and he wrote all of the music, sang the vocals and played
the drums and guitar on his new album. The result is a bombastic
album that proves old rockers don’t fade away…they just get
louder. Neal would be the first one to admit that he loves the
industrial guitars and the pounding drums on his K$2. His
vocals tend to be like strong coffee, they take a little getting
used to but once you develop the taste for them you’re hooked!
In the interview that follows, Smith and I discuss the making
of the album and dissect several of the songs. We discuss
haunted cemeteries, Rammstein and, of course, Alice Cooper.
Does Neal think being in the Rock Hall is a pretty cool
thing? You’ll just have to read on to find out.
Jeb: I want to talk about this album with the big red skull
on it. To me, this one is as good as the last one but it has
more melody.
Neal: It sort of just happened that way; as most of my
writing does. It did go in a little bit more of a melodic
direction. It still is music that is really pounding and really
heavy.
Jeb: How many Killsmith albums will there be?
Neal: I am getting ideas for another one. I have a concept
album that I have in mind too. Killsmith Two contains all
new songs written since 2008. There was one I had written and
that was “Legend of Viper Company,” that was in its infancy
stage as Sexual Savior was being finished.
I am hoping that as long as I can still hang in there and be
creative and inspired to get things down on tape that I can keep
making albums. I would like to make two more Killsmith
albums. I am really happy with the new one. People are really
shocked at the heaviness of this album, as it is heavier than
for what I am known for.
One of the songs, “Evil Voodoo Moon” is the inspiration to
the new Alice Cooper song, “I’ll Bite Your Face Off.” He heard
an early version of that song and it inspired him to make that
song so, it is the mother of that song. You can hear the guitar
riff is the thing they reworked into a little bit of a different
direction. It is a very different song but it was very cool that
we had the chance to do that.
Jeb: As a drummer, you really do a great job on this album
using your instrument as a lead instrument in many ways. You
really drive the direction of the melody on several songs.
Neal: I talk to a lot of guitar players, who are friends of
mine, that also write songs, and they tell me there are not many
guitar players who would write the way that I write. I play all
of the rhythm guitars on the album. It is very fresh and unique
and they have fun interpreting what I wrote. I take that as a
great compliment. I learned guitar chords from Michael Bruce in
the old Alice Cooper Band. I just decided to play the guitars
myself on this one and it was a great opportunity.
As far as the drums go, people are always saying my drums
sound musical. What the hell does that mean? I try to
incorporate my drumming with the changes of the song and it is
really second nature to me. I listen to a song and the sounds
dictate where the percussion goes. My first job is to be a
glorified metronome and find the right tempo. After that, I put
the real drums in.
Jeb: I really enjoy “Die For the Night.” It has a bit of Blue
Oyster Cult feel to it to me.
Neal: I wrote the album in four sections, of four songs each,
and that was in the middle section. I wasn’t going to use it
because it was so different because of the heavy synthesizer on
it. I decided to use it because it still fits the Killsmith
theme.
Jeb: My favorite song on the album is “2000 Miles From
Detroit.”
Neal: That song is getting some airplay around the Great
Lakes. I think that song shows the part of me that has a badass
Midwestern attitude. I am comfortable in that character. When
you’re writing a song, you can bend and mold it anyway that you
want to. On this album, it really took me out of my comfort
zone. I wrote the songs, recorded the songs, produced the songs
and wrote the lyrics. Usually, I just play drums but in this
instance I put it all together. I like it because I still have
that badass attitude in there. I like to play a song like “Kiss
My Rock n Roll Ass,” which, to me, is my new national anthem.
I think people should be a little bit nice to each other; I
think that’s great. After 9/11, there was a camaraderie in New
York and everyone was nicer to each other than they had ever
been in that city. Occasionally, though, people do rub each
other the wrong way. You just need to tell them to fuck off.
Jeb: You do make a couple of nods to the old Cooper sound. I
hear it in “Cemetery of the Damned.”
Neal: That is a real place in New England. Our bass player,
Peter Catucci, who is my partner in this whole thing, actually
got lost in the town of Easton, Connecticut and that is where
the Union Cemetery is. He got lost and he pulled in the cemetery
and turned around. It was in October, around Halloween. When he
got to the house where the party was, he told them he got lost
and had to turn around in a cemetery. His friend asked him, “Did
you see anything unusual in the cemetery?” He told his friend,
“As a matter of fact, it was kind of weird but someone was
walking across the cemetery. Now that I think about it, I don’t
know if I saw the person’s feet.” His teenage son was in the car
with him when they turned around. His son said that he saw the
same thing. The guy says, “That cemetery is about 400 years old
and it’s one of the most haunted places in the United States.
When he tells that story you just get chills up your spine. I
looked it up and there was a ton of information, more than
enough to write a song. It is a real place and there have been
books written about it. The police actually have to patrol it a
lot because kids like to go in there. To me, that is a big power
song on the album and I’m glad you like it.
Jeb: Tell me about the live show you’re working on.
Neal: We have been in rehearsal for about a month. We are
trying to get some dates. You can check out
www.nealsmithrocks.com
and we will list any shows that we book on the website. I am
playing drums and singing all the songs on the album. Over time,
I might have sang a song or two and done background vocals, but
I’ve never sang an entire set live. I am pushing myself. I have
to pull back on the drums just a little bit, to an extent, to
sing when I play. The guitar players I am playing with are
fantastic and this music would make a great show.
Jeb: I am friends with Dennis Dunaway and I am so proud of
you guys going in the Hall of Fame, along with Alice. I thought
that was great because Alice’s band had so much to do with the
Alice Cooper phenomenon but you guys have never got proper
credit over the years.
Neal: Without the band, Alice wouldn’t have been able to do
anything other than pump gas at a gas station; that’s true of
any of us. The band was a democracy. Alice never wanted us to
call him Alice. I don’t’ know whether it was Dennis, Glen
[Buxton] or I, but one of us started calling him Alice and it
stuck. We were young and we were in on the ground floor so we
could do anything we wanted. We were crazy enough to do it
because we had nothing to lose. The camaraderie continued
throughout the entire life of the band.
Jeb: I will be nice and say that about 50% of Alice’s set
still is the classic stuff from that era of the band.
Neal: I’ve heard it is even more than that and it’s okay
because it is part of Alice’s heritage and it’s part of my
heritage too. With Killsmith, I would never do any of my
Alice Cooper songs. The thing is the music is so different. Part
of what you do is to create an illusion onstage and anything we
would do from the past would not be the same. Dennis, Mike and
Alice and I have been lucky to do some shows together over the
years. We can do those songs when we do that. Alice Cooper is my
band and it will always be my band. I also do other things. I
like to keep everything that I do pure. I have evolved in my
playing and I have evolved in what I listen to. Rammstein is one
of the heaviest bands on the planet and they are one of my
favorite bands. They are a huge inspiration for Killsmith.
The music I like now is not the same stuff that I liked
twenty-five or thirty years ago. I’ve liked all of the music
that we’ve done and I like the new stuff that we were lucky
enough to play on Alice’s new CD. If Alice decided to do a new
recording with the old guys then I would be there in a
heartbeat; that is an entity to itself and this is an entity to
itself.
Jeb: Were you surprised that the Rock Hall included the rest
of the guys and not just Alice for induction?
Neal: I had talked to people at the Hall of Fame and I was
pretty much convinced, back in the late ‘90’s, that if Alice was
nominated then the entire band would be nominated. They tend to
go back to the original genesis of the act and that’s why I
thought we would qualify.
We qualified in the mid 1990’s because our first album was
out in 1969. You have to be around for 25 years to qualify. We
had to wait sixteen years to be put in. The Rock and Roll Hall
Fame, good, bad or indifferent, do know there history. They
would not just put Buddy Holly in the Hall; it would be Buddy
Holly & the Crickets. I hate that analogy but that is kind of
where we were. The Hall knew that if Alice didn’t have that
original band that Alice would not have had a career.
The people that I knew that were involved with the Hall, ten
or fifteen years ago, convinced me that the entire band would go
in if Alice went it.
Jeb: Is it pretty cool to be in?
Neal: Let’s put it this way, I was a little disappointed in
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because it took them so long to
nominate us. It took them so long that Glen was no longer with
us. I was actually beyond disappointed and was actually quite a
bit pissed off. We could have done this while he was still
alive. When it finally happened, it was very bittersweet for me.
Glen wasn’t there and I wasn’t sure how to handle it. Just for
the hell of it, I went to the Hall’s website and I looked at the
bands who got inducted on their first try and it was the
Beatles, the Stones, Elvis and the Beach Boys—it was all the big
time bands. I felt a little bit better about having to wait. It
is all really for the fans anyway. They are the ones who made it
happen. I know there were people who were out there for years
trying to get us inducted.
I can’t believe that we were actually nominated at all. There
were fifteen acts, five of which, that would be nominated. If we
had got in on the first ballot, that would have been as huge as
when Billion Dollar Babies went to # 1 on the charts; I
thought that we might eventually get in. I was hopeful that
before I left this earth that I would be in the Hall of Fame. It
worked out and we got in. Yeah, I have to say that it is a cool
thing.
Jeb: Last one: I have to ask the man how he came up with the
intro to “Billion Dollar Babies.”
Neal: When I became a drummer, I didn’t learn to play
“Satisfaction” or “Wipe Out” or anything like that. For two
years, I just had a snare drum and a set of drums sticks and I
learned the rudimentary skills of my art. I am sure great
drummers like Neal Peart and Carl Palmer did that as well.
When it came to that song, we were having trouble making
“Billion Dollar Babies” something a little different and
special. I always liked the Rolling Stones song “Get Off of My
Cloud.” It was a simple little drum into and I wanted to take
that concept and see what Neal Smith could do with that.
Back around Love It to Death, we recorded the song
“You Drive Me Nervous,” I was just playing slams all the way
through the whole song. I thought maybe I could just do some
slams on “Billion Dollar Babies.” We were just going straight
into the song in rehearsals and then I came up with the drum
part that I played throughout the whole song, which was not a
bolero, but it was like a little Spanish-esque kind of thing. We
tried it with an intro and Bob Ezrin said, “You can play that
part but you will have to play it perfectly throughout the
entire song.” I did it and there you have it.
Jeb: My real last one: You were discovered by your manager
when you opened for the Doors. Legend holds the band was so
horrible that people left before the Doors played. Is that true?
Neal: We did a show in Los Angeles and Shep Gordon, our
future manager was there, as was Frank Zappa. We had done an
audition for Zappa and he wanted to manage us. We were the house
band at the time at the Cheetah Club. We were called The Nazz at
the time. I think it may have been the Doors, I can’t really
member, but we really did clear the place out; thousands of
people left. Shep had never seen
anything like that before in
his life. It made such an impression on him that he wanted to
sign us.
Jeb: How did you meet Bob Ezrin?
Neal: Bob Ezrin saw us in September of 1970 at Max’s Kansas
City in New York City. We auditioned for Nimbus 9, which was
Jack Richardson’s company who produced the Guess Who and that’s
who we wanted to produce our album, Love It to Death.
When we were in the studio in September of 2010 doing the new
Alice Cooper album, it was actually the 40th
anniversary of that date, which is unbelievable. Forty years
later we were doing an album together in New York City where we
all met each other for the first time.