AND THE WINNER
IS…. AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH DREAM THEATER
By Jeb Wright, February, 2012
John
Petrucci is thrilled that his band, arguably the world leader in
Progressive Rock, is being nominated for Best Hard Rock/Metal
Performance for their song “On the Back’s of Angels.” This is
Dream Theater’s first Grammy nomination of their career. They
have been worshipped by the Prog, and the Prog Metal community
for decades but the mainstream have largely ignored their
musical accomplishments. They could no longer be cast aside
after their latest album, A Dramatic Turn of Events,
debuted in the Top 10 in fourteen countries, including the
United States. All of this is happening as the band have
released their first album and embarked upon their first tour
with new drummer Mark Mangini, who replaced founding member Mike
Portnoy.
In the interview that follows, Petrucci discusses his elation
for being up for such a prestigious award, as well as how the
band survived losing such an integral part of the band in
Portnoy. We even discuss why, when Portnoy wanted to come back
to the band, Dream Theater said, “No.”
Dream Theater is a band of talented musicians who deserve
every accolade bestowed upon them. They continually push the
limits of imagination and take their music to the very edge of
their lofty limitations.
Classic Rock Revisited congratulates Dream Theater on the
nomination and hopes they win the Grammy, as they are on band
that honestly deserves it.
Jeb: You are nominated for a Grammy. They say the nomination
is the honor but wouldn’t it be great to take one home?
John: Who wouldn’t want to put that on the fireplace mantel?
It would be unbelievable to win a Grammy; that would be a dream
comes true. Equally unbelievable is getting nominated. We’ve
been doing this for a long time and this is our first Grammy
nomination; it means so much to us. When I heard the news I was
flipping out and the whole band is really happy. It is an
achievement for any artist but for us it is different. If an
artist is being played all over the radio and they are very
commercially oriented then it might just seem like another step
in their career. Being a band that plays the kind of music that
we do, it is different. The song that is nominated, “On the
Backs of Angels,” is a nine-minute song. Our band plays
progressive metal. We have time signature changes and we do all
kinds of crazy stuff in our music, so for us to be nominated is
so awesome. To be recognized by the Academy in this way is
really unbelievable.
Jeb: What is Dream Theater’s secret? Prog bands are not
supposed to be nominated for Grammy’s or have their albums debut
in the Top 10.
John: I think there is a listening audience for this type of
music that is huge; I think there always has been. I think back
about myself and there were bands that were really, really huge
but they were not mainstream. I was still fanatically into them.
There are tons of other people that are into that kind of music.
It is just a matter of having it come to the foreground. It
really is the power of the fans. This is the music that we love
to play, love to listen too and love to write. There is a
worldwide audience that has a lot of passion that is into this
kind of music. To have it recognized in this capacity doesn’t
happen too often.
Jeb: You wrote the song that is nominated but you also
produced the entire album. How did you wear the separate hats?
John: As far as writing the music, that is my passion and it
is something I love to do and it comes very natural to me.
Producing the music, at the same time, is kind of like wearing
another hat. The key thing that I did for me, the whole time,
from the beginning, before we even wrote a note, was to think of
what kind of record we wanted to make. What was the specific
goal we were trying to achieve and who were the people on our
wish list that we were going to do it with. We got to work with
a lot of great people who mastered and engineered the record. It
was all about staying focused and remembering the kind of album
we wanted to make. It was about taking the time to check
yourself and make sure that you’re on track and that you haven’t
strayed. To me, that is the key to success – having a definite
goal. I think if you have that when you go in then you are more
likely to finish where you wanted to in the first place.
Jeb: The elephant in the room is that this album was made
without founding drummer Mike Portnoy. I will say that this
album may be one of the best, if not the best, of your career.
Is the Grammy nomination sweeter because despite all the crap
that Portnoy put you through you still succeeded to that level?
John: It does. We started the band together back in Berklee
when we were 18 years old. We have been a band for all of this
time. Mike leaving was a real heartbreak and a shock. We have
been through member changes before but Mike was always a huge
part of this band. There is that sort of moment, from fans,
family, friends, and band members and yourself where you go,
“What are we going to do? What is the next step and how are we
going to do this? Can we make this successful?” Thankfully, from
the very beginning we had so much support from our families, our
friends and our fans and we took that support and translated
that into the album. The album came out in the Top 10 all around
the world. Our fans really seem to enjoy it. The Grammy
nomination, on top of all that, is a great affirmation and a
payback to all of those people who gave us that support. It is
sweet. I can’t lie.
Jeb: How is the new Mike different than the old Mike,
professionally, personally and musically?
John: We wrote the album without a drummer present. Mike
Mangini came in and learned the album and then added a whole new
level of musicianship to it. It really was wonderful. Mike is a
really cool person who is really easy to get along with. He is
very dedicated and he gives 120% at all times. He has brought
that attitude out on the road with us. His commitment to being a
better drummer the next day, than he was the day, before is
really great.
The original Mike had been doing this with us for a long
time. Sometimes, because we have done so many shows together,
you think that no one could do what he does. Mike Mangini
brought huge amounts of passion and commitment, not only to his
drums, but to the band. Knowing the history of the band and
knowing our fan base and how important Mike was to the band, to
watch the new Mike come in and do what he did is pretty amazing.
Jeb: Portnoy left the band but there was a point where he
wanted to come back to Dream Theater. What would the harm have
been to let bygones be bygones and let him come back?
John: It was a little bit more complicated than that. The
process by which Mike left the band was one where we tried
everything to talk him out of it. We told him that it wasn’t a
good idea and that we had been together for too long to have
this happen. We came to the realization that he needed a change.
At that point, when you’ve exhausted all efforts, then you have
to face the reality of the situation, which was that we needed a
new drummer. We had to roll up our sleeves and find those eight
drummers that auditioned. We, then, brought Mike Mangini into
the band. He retired from his tenured position as an instructor
at Berklee and we began making the new album. We rearranged and
restructured everything within our business as well, which meant
that we made hundreds of phone calls to booking agents, record
companies and management. It really was complicated to do all of
this. At that point, to have Mike say, “I want to come back” you
can only imagine how we felt. It was too late and too far gone.
Obviously, it wasn’t something that he wanted a couple of months
before so we had to wonder why it would suddenly be different
now. All of the reasons that he wanted to leave for were all
still there; they didn’t go anywhere. It was just too late. We
had to be genuine to ourselves, to our fans, to Mike Mangini and
to our future.
Jeb: Dream Theater always pushes boundaries. Is that an
important part of the band to be able to be able to musically go
where no band has gone?
John: There is an identity to doing that. One of the things
that I have learned is that you have to keep the identity of the
band. You can’t just be all over the map, stylistically. It is
great to have different influences and to bring in other things
and experiment, but there has to be an identity and style.
Having said that, there are no boundaries to what we can do. We
do not limit ourselves when it comes to song structures or song
lengths or anything like that. I think that is really important.
If something comes from you with total conviction, has integrity
and comes from an artistically valid place, then whether it will
hit people the same way, you never know, but you can have a lot
of respect in what you have accomplished. I think that is what
people latch onto and identify with. If you are wishy-washy
within the style that you do then people are smart and they pick
up on that.
Jeb: Your fans expect things to be different. You can come
out and perform an entire album by Iron Maiden and your fans dig
it. A lot of other bands would have their fans scratching their
heads trying to figure out what is going on.
John: That is a great point. We have that trust from our fans
and we can do something that might be a little bit off the cuff
or experimental and they will not only be up for it, they will
be along for the ride. I think that is really incredible.
Jeb: You did Number of the Beast live in its entirety.
How did that come up to even think about doing that?
John: To be honest, that was old Mike’s idea. He was really
into that music way back. He mentioned how the band Phish, every
Halloween, would play an entire album. It was a great idea. I
don’t know if Phish sparked that idea or if he already had that
idea but he brought it up. We all loved that album and Iron
Maiden is an influence to our band.
Jeb: As a guitarist you can shred but you have a melodic
sensibility and you have a lot of emotion in your playing. Do
you realize how rare it is for a guitarist to possess all three
of those elements?
John: Thank you for saying that, I really appreciate that.
Sometimes I think of our music like classical music, not that we
play that kind of music but rather the range of ability that is
expected from people who play in an orchestra. You can expect
something that is incredible technically difficult and then,
following that, something that is really melodically beautiful.
The bottom line is that it is all musical expression. My whole
goal was to be able to do what I wanted to do, whether that be
soulful, melodic, technical, heavy or whatever. You have to be
able to do all of that stuff to play in this band.
Jeb: You have done some interesting things outside of Dream
Theater in the past. Are you working on anything at the moment
outside of the band?
John: I get asked about doing a follow-up to the solo album I
did few years back called Suspended Animation. It was fun
to do. I haven’t done a follow-up and I have a lot of music
written for that, so once we get the tour finished, and things
settle down a little bit, then I would love to do that.
Jeb: With Mangini being the rookie, did you make him earn his
stripes? Was there any hazing?
John: The biggest hazing was for us to stick him on stage in
Rome on our opening show. It was make it or break it time. He
pulled through 100% for us.
Jeb: Last one: Do you have your Grammy speech written?
John: I am working on a speech, just in case. You have got to
be prepared. With all the great bands in our category I don’t
think we will win but you’ve got to at least be prepared.
Jeb: How about new music?
John: Writing is a funny thing, sometimes it just hits you.
We are not really in that mode as we are traveling and living in
hotel rooms. We haven’t really written anything officially for
the next album yet.