Rob Halford has been staying busy during his time off from Judas
Priest. Instead of vacationing and taking it easy, Rob has put
together his solo band, which includes producer Roy Z, and
written the first Halford album in years.
The album, Made of Metal, is a true testament to Rob’s
love of the genre that he helped create. Each song features the
voice that only Halford can deliver, the lyrics only Halford can
write and the attitude that he has been dishing out for nearly
forty years.
Read on as Rob and I discuss how making this album is
different than making a Priest album and why he hasn’t let
anyone in Priest listen to it yet. We dissect the album,
track-by-track and the result is a look into the mind, heart and
soul of the man they call The Metal God.
Jeb: In the past we have talked about Priest, Halford and
Fight. This time, however, I want to spend the whole interview
on the new album Made of Metal. Congratulations on a
great Metal album.
Rob: Thank you, Jeb. I can’t believe it. It’s a surprise to
me as well. It really came together quickly. It started as an
idea that I spoke about with my producer and my manager and now
it has all come together.
Jeb: I have been a fan of yours my entire life, but I
don’t remember seeing songs credited to you 100% for both words
and music. Have you written like this before?
Rob: Not for the Halford band. The big moment, if you could
call it that, for solo writing endeavors would be the album by
Fight called War of Words that came out in the early
‘90s. A lot of my work has been collaborations. When I knew that
I would have an opportunity to get the Halford band back out I
thought it would be great if we could play some new songs. From
that idea, I suddenly went into full bore writing. Those ten or
eleven tracks poured out of me in two weeks. I called my
producer, Roy Z, and said, “Dude, I think the well is about to
go here, can you come down and get together?” I put the entire
basic plot of the material in the company studio here in San
Diego. Each day I would go into Signature Sound studio with Roy
and he would ask me what I had and I would show him and we would
go from there.
Jeb: What instrument do you write on?
Rob: I am the world’s worst guitar player. A lot of my things
are like Cheech & Chong, you know the song where they go, “My
basketball coach done kicked me off the team.” duh duh da duh
duh da da da da. “For wearing high heeled sneakers and acting
like a queen.” duh duh da duh duh da da da da. I would do that
into my iPhone. Anyone else would laugh at me but Z knows me
well enough that he asks me, “What have you got?” and I will
play him my “duh duh da” and we go from there. It is a
combination of that and some very, very rudimentary guitar
playing. It is enough because everything comes from a simple
idea. When I write these solo songs they happen very, very
quickly and that is just the way I work in that world.
Jeb: You have been open, to a point, in interviews with
the media but you don’t go over the edge. Your lyrics are often
stories. But with this album some of the lyrics are very open
and honest.
Rob: I do a song called “25 Years,” which is a song about me
being clean and sober for 25 years next year to a song about
bullfighting. Hey listen, I take my music seriously but I also
like to play with it and have fun. All music is escapism,
whether you are telling a real story or not. It is about
forgetting about all of the crap at the office or forgetting
some of the horrible things going on in the world around us.
Some of the lyrical messages on these songs are quite deep, if
you want to say that. A lot of them are very much what make me
tick. You have known me for years, Jeb, and you know that I have
always been a very optimistic person. I like to convey that
attitude. It is all about a bit of this and a bit of that and
the other but it is really just what makes my brain box tick.
Jeb: I picked up on that right away. I mean, of course you
have the songs like “Matador” and “The Mower” but there are
others songs that are deeper and are very open about your
feelings.
Rob: Again, that’s the luxury I have when I get away from my
main band, Judas Priest, who will always be first for me. The
Halford band is a different experience than Priest and I can
make more personal statements in Halford songs, if I so choose.
Jeb: What is the difference in making a Halford album and
a Judas Priest album?
Rob: There isn’t really that much of a difference because the
commodities of the band are pretty much set in standard
concerning the routines that each go through. The big difference
is the players. KK [Downing] is as different to Z as Glenn
[Tipton] is to Metal Mike. In terms of comparison, there
wouldn’t be any point, quite frankly, if I didn’t feel that
there was a separation of musical identity. Writing wise, there
is a vast difference. All of the writing with Priest comes as a
trio with KK, Glenn and myself. We really do make amazing Metal
together and we have been doing that forever, and I am sure we
will continue to it. Halford is a bit of a different texture
than Judas Priest.
Jeb: Is your role different in Halford? It is your name.
Rob: It is. I am just using my business savvy, if you want to
call it that. Hopefully I am being savvy. Hopefully people in
Metal know the name ‘Rob Halford’ by now. I could have called it
anything, I suppose. I could have called it Lugnut. In
terms of common sense, and in bringing the focus to a certain
sound, it is called Halford, but it is not just me. It
includes tremendous performances from Roy Z and Metal Mike.
Speaking of tremendous performances ,we just did the Ozzfest.
Jeb: I wanted to ask how Ozzfest went.
Rob: Brilliant. It’s all about Ozzy and it still holds true
to what Ozzy and Sharon wanted it to be years and years ago.
They have also held true that they wanted the concert to be a
platform for new talent, which is brilliant. The Prince of
Darkness looks, and sounds, amazing and he is putting on some of
the best shows in his life, so what more could you ask for?
Jeb: Halford is going to do its own tour as well as a lot
of arena dates opening for Ozzy Osbourne.
Rob: That was a nice surprise. Sharon said to me on Ozzfest,
“Would you fancy coming along and playing some dates with Ozzy
on his first arena tour in years?” I said, “Yeah, I’m there.”
That was really nice. I love them both and think they are both
wonderful people.
Jeb: In the world of Metal, Rob Halford is a household
name but Ozzy has a huge audience that goes beyond Metal so a
lot more people are going to be exposed to Halford.
Rob: That’s true. I told Sharon that I couldn’t be happier.
We are mixing it up. I am going to Japan in a couple of weeks to
do the Loud Park Festival show with Korn. I am going to go to
Peru for the first time ever. I am going all over the world and
then coming back and doing the North American tour with Ozzy. It
has been a busy year. I have been going nonstop since January 1,
2010.
Jeb: Rob, I need to tell you something. Made of Metal
has a racecar theme to it. I could not help thinking about you
and racing. I mean, you are, A) a singer, B) British and C) gay.
There is no way you can be a NASCAR fan.
Rob: [laughter] It is amazing how many Metal fans are racing
fans. They seem to love anything to do with getting behind the
wheel of a fast car. I love listening to my radio when I get
into my Cadillac. I drive an old man’s car now, actually, that’s
not fair; my Cadillac does 120 MPH when it shouldn’t. I love to
listen to my Metal when I am in it. It just all seemed like a
very simple correlation between the two. I wanted to venture
into that. Most people know me as Rob Halford, The Metal God,
that roars out on stage on a Harley. There is another dimension
there that I wanted to experiment with and have fun and enjoy.
It has turned out really well.
Jeb: Is that car real or is it a computer graphic?
Rob: Believe it or not, it is a computer graphic. Isn’t that
amazing? I am watching Avatar in 3D and I have to keep
pinching myself and saying, “This is not real.” The company had
a lot of fun doing that graphic. They did a tremendous job; they
also did the video.
Jeb: Lets run through each track. I have been cranking it
up both at home and in the car.
Rob: You really should do that. This is an album that sounds
great in the car.
Jeb: “Undisputed Heavy Weight Champion” has a theme that
you have written about in the past, which is to never give up.
Was the boxing theme inspired by anyone in particular?
Rob: I have two boxing gloves; one signed by Muhammad Ali and
the other one is signed by Joe Frazier. I also have a baseball
that Pete Rose signed that says, “I am sorry I betted on
baseball.” I love sports memorabilia. I watch boxing on TV and
these guys are beating the hell out of each other with such
ferocity and passion. There is a real Metal spirit to it. All I
need is an idea.
Jeb: “Fire and Ice” is about the radio. It shows a
relationship between the listener and the radio and that is kind
of cool.
Rob: We need that. We have the Internet and we have all of
these mobile devices but the heart and soul of rock ‘n roll is
radio. Oh, that would be a good song. I am putting a trademark
on that for a title.
Jeb: Does it bother you that most USA radio stations may not
play the new songs?
Rob: If one radio station plays one of my songs, one time,
then I am as happy as a kid at Christmas.
Jeb: “Made of Metal” could be a Judas Priest track.
Rob: I suppose in terms of texture there are a few things you
can’t escape. The fans have made me the Metal God and they know
what I am responsible for and they know what I have tried to do
with my Metal over the years. In terms of comparison, I can’t
disguise that. I, personally, feel that this is a really fresh,
original track. It is an unusual track with that detuned voice.
It is a fun story about an alien being that comes down from
space and gets behind the wheel of a Transformer -- I love that
movie. All of that comes into it and makes a great Metal song.
Jeb: After 40 years in the business, where do you come up
with a line like, “Supersonic silver flying machine.”
Rob: I don’t know. This is what will make me end up in a
straightjacket. Crazy things come into my head and I write them
down as fast as I can.
Jeb: What inspired “Speed of Sound’?
Rob: The fans. The crux of that song comes from Roy Z. It is
about the relationship of the fans. We don’t need wealth or fame
in Metal. Metal is a very straightforward kind of experience. We
are just talking about that we have our Metal and we are
traveling together at the speed of sound.
Jeb: “Like There is no Tomorrow” is one of those personal
tracks I was talking about earlier.
Rob: It is part of my optimistic streak. People are always
talking about the American Dream. I think people sustain the
American Dream with optimism and hard work. You can only do that
if you approach what you do with an attitude. That song shows
the attitude that you need.
Jeb: “Until the Day I Die” has a very mellow intro and
then the song comes from that. The first time I listened to this
song I overlooked its power. Upon several listens it has become
one of my favorite songs on the album.
Rob: Thank you. Some of these songs do tend to grow the more
you listen to them. The roots of Metal come from the blues. I
love the blues. I love Leadbelly, Bessie Smith, Howlin’ Wolf,
Muddy Waters and on and on and on. I had never done a song that
had that sort of attitude about it. I went in and, in a very
rudimentary way, told Z what I wanted and he did a lot of work
on this particular tune. He played that fabulous slide guitar.
He added it towards the end of the session and he just nailed
it. I think that song is me reflecting on mortality. I say, “I
ain’t got no time for forgiving or to be afraid. Nothing is
going to slow me down.” That is what I do as a Metal Head. I am
living till the day I die.
Jeb: “We Own the Night” is one of the strongest tracks.
Was Roy integral on that one as well?
Rob: He was as far as expanding the simple idea is concerned.
I wanted a strong, anthem type chorus on that one. It is about
relationships. “When I’m with you, you give me all your
strength/With your love I carry on/but we both know that it
takes the two of us to face the truth/We don’t need to run.” It
is about the commitment people have with each other. It is also
about the nighttime, which is the best time for a lot of people,
especially people in rock n’ roll.
Jeb: It is the most relationship-oriented song I have ever
heard you sing.
Rob: It is pretty strong and direct. It probably is a first
for me.
Jeb: The next one is strong and direct but in a bad way. I am
talking about “Heartless.”
Rob: We have all been there. A funny story, “Heartless” came
out of an incident in the studio where Z was drinking way to
much coffee. His heart was going a million miles an hour and we
had to get the paramedics involved to do an EKG. I am sitting
there by myself at nine o’clock at night and thinking about his
heart and the idea of “Heartless” came into my mind. He called
me about three hours later and told me that he left the
hospital. I said, “Are you sure you are okay?” He said, “Yeah.”
I said, “I know you nearly crossed over but I have written a
song about the entire incident.” He said, “You’re kidding me.” I
did a bit of a spin on it but it was really inspired by Roy Z’s
dance with death.
Jeb: I love the play on words on “Hell Razor.”
Rob: I was thinking about Marlin Brando in “On the
Waterfront.” I carry all of this around in my head. I am a
59-year-old Metal Head. I have all of these things swimming
around and sometimes one of them just pops to the front of my
brain box. It starts out “Outcast of the morning/He’ll always go
it alone.” That is very much what Brando was about in that
movie. You have all kinds of these Hollywood iconic figures who
have dealt with this type of thing in the movies. The “Hell
Razor” is just a play on words.
Jeb: “Thunder and Lightening” is placed well in the
running order.
Rob: Sequencing on an album can really screw things up if you
don’t get it right. We thought long and hard about the sequence
of the album, and in particular, this song. It is a really good
song but it is a little bit pushy in terms of the textures of
the rest of the material. We believed in the song so much that
we felt there was a place for it. It is totally different. I
have tried to give all of these songs their own little moment.
If you go to a library each book is different. I have tried to
do that same sort of thing. “Thunder and Lightening” is about
relationships and supporting each other. I just love the line
where I say “Roll out the freedom bell.” I was thinking about
the Philadelphia bell. As a lyricist, your mind is going all
over the place trying to pull out little nuggets of information.
“Thunder and Lightening” is a really hooky song.
Jeb: We briefly spoke about “25 Years.” I am clean and
sober as well so I really related to that.
Rob: There you go. We live part of the same life, as do many
of the people who will read this. For people who don’t deal with
the difficulty of alcohol or drug addiction, this is my
reflection of what I have been dealing with for twenty-five
years. We live in the now. We are surrounded by temptation and
that temptation is the devil on my back. This is a case where
this being a solo work gives me the opportunity to say some
things that might be out of place in another venture. “25 Years”
is all about my sobriety.
Jeb: It is a very passionate vocal.
Rob: I mean it. It should be meant. I nailed that one in two
takes. If I had done twenty takes then the heart and soul
wouldn’t have been in it. I told Z when I went in to lay this
down that I was going to try to get it quickly. I told him that
if I didn’t then we would have to come back to it later on.
Jeb: Okay… Where in the fuck did you come up with
“Matador”?
Rob: I was watching the running of bulls. Later I was
watching a show on TBS about the California Gold Rush. My crazy
mind somehow meshed the gold rush and bullfighting. It is not
easy to write these kinds of lyrics but I have been doing it for
some time now. I see the story in my head before I start
planning it out in my Mac book. The fun for me was writing the
music. I asked Z, “Can you make this sound like a 60’s sort of
surf guitar but give it a Spanish inflection?” If I said that to
most people then they would give me a blank stare but Z just
goes, “I’ve got it.”
Jeb: “I Know We Stand a Chance” is another song that
overlooked the first time through but now really like.
Rob: Musically, in points of instrumentation, it is quite
adventurous. It is different to a lot of the other tracks. It
has more of a middle of the ground, slightly new Metal sound. I
felt that was important to give the record a different kind of
texture as we entered the final pieces. It is kind of a
difficult song to talk about, musically. It was taken from a
couple of years ago; it is not that new compared to the other
tracks. I have a lot of material in the vaults and I felt it was
time to bring this one out and wrap it up.
Jeb: “The Mower” is classic Rob Halford.
Rob: I wasn’t quite sure if that was the right way for me to
close the record. My fans love for me to scream my tits off. I
thought, “Should I do this?” I asked Z about it and he said,
“You have touched on a lot of things in your Metal career and I
think this is an important statement to make. “ It is me venting
about humanity and things that really piss me off. I get pissed
off at poverty in the States and I get pissed off at BP for
dumping all that oil. I hate that nobody came to the aid of the
people in Pakistan but everybody rushed to Haiti. I hate that
indifference in humanity so I had a good vent, Jeb, and I felt
much better about it afterwards.
Jeb: If you are a Rob Halford fan then when that comes on you
just crank it up and go, “DAMN.”
Rob: Well, then, I did the right thing.
Jeb: Has anyone in Priest heard this album and if so what
do they think?
Rob: I have a wonderful relationship with all of the guys.
Priest will always lead me in my life. We support each other’s
endeavors; that is enough for me. They have not heard it yet
because it has not been officially released.
Jeb: You have not sent them a copy?
Rob: You know, I haven ‘t. I probably will. It is a whole --
this could be a two-hour conversation. Being in a band is like
being in a family. You have been around bands a lot. You know
where you can go and where you can’t go. You know what to say
and what not to say. You also know there is a time and a place
for everything. I am just absolutely thrilled that I have the
luxury of a solo career. I am very grateful to all of the fans
who support me and give me the opportunity to do these things
that I love to do within Heavy Metal music.
Jeb: Is there a plan for Priest in 2011?
Rob: Priest will be back. I will be back home over the
Christmas holidays and I will see the guys. We are already
mapping out the next year and it will be solid.
Jeb: I always like to end with a story. I have never asked
you about the first time you filled in for Black Sabbath.
Rob: Very simply, there was a discourse between Ronnie [James
Dio] and Ozzy [Osbourne]. It was patched up over time but back
then that is what was going on. There were two shows coming up
in Costa Mesa and I got a call from Tony [Iommi]. He explained
the plot and asked me if I would help out. I said I would
because that is what you do; you help your mates out. Tony asked
me what songs I wanted to do and I asked him what they had been
playing and we exchanged the lists. I told him I wanted to do
some Sabbath songs that hadn’t been done for a while. We agreed
on the final list and I went and sang the songs in the shower
for a couple of days. The band came into Phoenix and we had one
rehearsal. The next day we were in front of two sell out crowds
in Costa Mesa, for what was at the particular point, the first
ever Sabbath reunion. It was just phenomenal.
Jeb: You learned the whole set in a few days?
Rob: I had to because there wasn’t any more time than that.
Everybody knows the love of my life is Priest but I love Sabbath
too. I pretty much knew all of the Sabbath stuff, particularly
the stuff with Ozzy.
Jeb: Did the crowd know that you were going to sing with
them that night?
Rob: No, I don’t think they knew until the very last minute.
Everybody was very gracious and everybody accepted the change of
plans very well and it went over great.
Jeb: If someone had to fill in for a singer at a Metal show
that I was at, I would hope it would be Rob Halford. There are
very few that can do it but they do call you The Metal God.
Rob: I was very grateful to Tony for giving me the
opportunity. There are bootlegs floating around that captured
that metal moment. You can find them; they are out there.