ROCKING UNDER THE RADAR:
AN INTERVIEW WITH ANDY POWELL OF WISHBONE ASH
By Jeb Wright
Andy Powell and Wishbone Ash have delivered
big time with their latest release, titled Elegant Stealth.
The album is a return for the band to their trademark twin
guitar leads and songs that are both musically impressive and
lyrically deep. Wishbone Ash have created an album that stands
easily amongst the best they have ever made.
The band, which has been ongoing since 1969, is led by
Powell, who is the only original member. That said, the current
lineup of the group is most impressive. The band members are
well versed in all styles of music and are not afraid to show
off their chops. Wishbone Ash fans will receive this album with
open arms and tout it as one of their best.
Read on as we discuss the new music in-depth, as well as some
of the high points of Andy’s amazing career. Learn how the twin
guitars came to be, how Andy decided upon playing a Gibson
Flying V and a murder that occurred over a hotdog.
Jeb: Classic Rock Revisited has been around since 1999 and I
am ashamed to say that this is the first time I have interviewed
you. I feel terrible we have not shown you more support but I am
so glad I am talking to you know because the new album is
fantastic.
Andy: That’s okay, we appreciate it. I have seen the site; it
is great.
Jeb: Thank you. I love the new album. This is some good shit!
Andy: That’s really great, man, you’ve made my day.
Jeb: It is not a throwback to the old sound but, Andy, there
is a lot, and I mean a lot, of guitar solos.
Andy: On this one, we’ve paid attention to what the fans are
saying. We are a live act and we open up in a live arena and we
extend things a bit. We decided that we should do that on the
record as well. We let it roll; there is nothing too contrived
with the guitar solos, it is from the hip.
Jeb: Let’s talk about some of the new songs. I really enjoy
“Reason to Believe.” You have the twin leads on there that I
never get tired of hearing.
Andy: I wouldn’t be still doing this if it didn’t still
excite me. When we first hit upon the twin lead thing it was
instant ear candy and it has remained that way. We try to vary
the ways we use it. Sometimes we integrate the harmony deeper
within the structure of the songs than we used to when we first
started out; it is a little more sophisticated.
A couple of years ago, we started some writing sessions in an
old manor house in Normandy, France. We videoed the actual
writing sessions like a fly on the wall type of thing.
Jeb: Are you talking about the DVD?
Andy: Yes, I am glad you’ve seen it. You can see that “Reason
to Believe” started out as a bit of a jam on the DVD. Bob Skeat,
our bass player, who is not a person who has come up with many
lyrics for the band, although he is an integral part of the
writing process, came up with that line, “Reason to Believe.” To
me, that sums up who we are as a band. We play all over the
place and it takes a lot of faith to do this. That statement
sums it all up for us. A dear friend of mine, Ian Harris, wrote
the lyrics. It is a really good opener for the album, as it is
very upbeat.
Jeb: The one that follows it isn’t too shabby. Lyrically “War
of Tears” is pretty deep.
Andy: All of the songs come from a real experience. That one
comes from the heart and is triggered from real life. I put that
one second on the album because the solos on that one, as you
say, ain’t too shabby [laughter.] When Wishbone Ash gets going
we really fly. That track, the guitar soloing, we go back and
forth and it really flies. We captured it nicely on the
recording.
Jeb: “Man with No Name” has great lyrics and great solos as
well. I think the fans are going to go nuts over that song.
Andy: The thing I like about that one is that the song is
based around a 12-string acoustic guitar, so it is really
written in a rock way as it builds. The drumming on that is
awesome; Joe Crabtree did a great job on that track. The song
structure is really great and the lyrics are really interesting.
I was listening to it today and I thought that the lyrics are
really a metaphor for all politicians. We are all slaves to
these people who come on the TV and tell us what they are going
to do for us. I didn’t start out thinking of the lyrics in that
way, but when I was watching CNN, and I thought of them in the
context of how the world is falling down around us, and all
these politicians keep running their mouths, I saw the metaphor
for that in our song. A listener can really put meanings that
are applicable to you to lyrics that perhaps the songwriter
didn’t even intend. I am really proud of that song.
Jeb: You said something that is very true. Wishbone Ash fans
do that to your songs; we make our own meanings to them. It is
neat to hear you do that to one of your own songs.
Andy: I’m a fan of music. I purposely didn’t listen to this
album for about three weeks. Just the last couple of days I have
been recently listening to it in the background, like a person
might be listening to it while they are working. I wanted to see
if there was enough interesting stuff going on that it would
grab you even if you were just listening to it in the
background. I have to say, and I don’t always say this about
albums, but, yeah, we did some good work there. I try to put a
different hat on and try to listen to it as a fan. After the
recording and writing of the songs, you’re so close to it and
you have really rammed it into the ground. You’ve worked on
every little factor on it from the songwriting, the playing, the
mixing and the editing and you’ve got to take a break and get
away from it, which is what I did.
Jeb: I love the groove to one of the songs…
Andy: “Migrant Worker” is the grooviest track, is that it?
Jeb: Actually, I’m talking about “Heavy Weather.”
Andy: We kind of went with a Pink Floyd mindset on that one.
We wanted a pulsating, insistent groove on that. You can see us
jamming on that one on the DVD we were talking about. We started
the jam around a bass guitar riff. We are known for developing
songs from a slow groove to a more syncopated thing. “Heavy
Weather” does that and it is an extended arrangement. I wrote
the lyric on that one because, as you know, we have had crazy
weather this year. I used the idea of “Heavy Weather” as a
metaphor of a relationship and bringing kids up. I’m an
immigrant from the UK and I have lived in the USA for 27 years
or something. I’ve never had a year like this. I was walking
around my property clearing things up from Hurricane Irene a few
months ago, and then we had the earthquake and a tornado. I’ve
never seen anything like this.
Jeb: Talk about “Migrant Worker.” I don’t think that is a
typical Wishbone Ash song.
Andy: You’re right. We started out as an English band and we
just don’t swing like American bands do. “Migrant Worker” does
swing, though. We really pulled it off. You’ve got one guitar
player playing a wah-wah funk like think and then I come in
behind him on the old vintage Telecaster; everything locks
together. The lyric is dear to my heart as I am a migrant
worker. I leave home and go to foreign countries and we earn our
bread. In other terms, it is really talking about the kinds of
things we can all relate too. When you walk out in your
neighborhood you see migrant workers everywhere. Do Americans do
any real work anymore?
I am a migrate worker who moves from State to State, so this
is not a put down at all; it’s more of a statement of how we now
have a global economy and this is how we work. We are moving
around and hustling our butts off. Any musician can relate to
that.
Jeb: I feel funny even saying this as you’ve had such a long
career but I this one really is great. It’s not Argus but
it stands up next to any album you’ve put out in your past. I
think it has to do with the current lineup of this band.
Andy: It’s great to hear you say that because we feel it. We
have all been secretly winking at each other saying that we
really did some good work on this album. Its early days yet, as
you are one of the first people to actually review it and talk
to me about it. I am quietly excited about this because I
haven’t had this conversation with anyone. The people that I’ve
played the album for have been giving me big smiles and thumbs
up.
Jeb: You are the last man standing from the original Wishbone
Ash.
Andy: Yes, I am the last man standing.
Jeb: I have talked about this with my friend Mick Box, of
Uriah Heep, who is in the same position. With band members
coming and going, how do you know you’ve got the right men for
the job?
Andy: To be a bandleader, you’ve got to be a bit of a
pragmatist. Mick Box is like me, as he says never say die. There
are things that can cloud your opinions. There are times when
you want to change directions, or you know you have to do
something about this person, or that person.
Forming bands, and managing bands, which I do with Wishbone
Ash, I hope I am getting a bit more disconcerting and better at
it. Luck also plays a part in it. I am very lucky to be working
with the guys who are now in the band. On a musical level, they
each bring something to the table. In Wishbone Ash, it is very
important to have that happen. Even with our drummer Joe, who is
only thirty, you can tell he has listened to, and learned, music
from all eras. I am not just talking rock music. You have to
bring knowledge of jazz to the table and other genres as well.
We can sit around in a coffee shop, as a band, and talk about
all kinds of music from all genres, which can be very
intimidating for someone who has not really done their homework.
All the guys in Wishbone Ash know their music, whether it be
jazz, rock, blues or you name it.
Jeb: What you said reminds me of another song on the new
album, which is “Searching for the Satellites.”
Andy: We went out on a bit of a limb on that one, vocally. I
became the vocalist by default, really. I always sang some in
the band but I could rely on others to sing as well, in the old
days. I knew that one was one that I would have to feel it. It
is a slow tempo song and we really went for it. I always
imagined the gospel choir on that one. You have to have the
balls to sing a song like that and I think I did it. A couple of
albums ago, I wouldn’t have stuck my neck out and sang on a song
like that.
I think that is one for the fans, as it is really a lot like
an anthem. I have been told by people that they could hear this
song at the end of a movie; it really has that kind of feel to
it. I love that song, actually. I think the way we arranged it
made it come out really well. Sometimes, as a rock band, you can
go into that sentimental vibe on a song and you can blow it, but
I think we felt that one and we got along fine on that track.
Jeb: That was the working title of the album at one time,
wasn’t it?
Andy: At one time it was, as it was one of the first songs we
worked with. I don’t think we all thought it would end up the
actual name of the album but for a long time we did refer to it
as that.
Jeb: Elegant Stealth is the title to the album and it
is a very different title. What does it mean to you?
Andy: Elegant Stealth is where we find ourselves as a
band. Wishbone Ash had their greatest amount of success in the
1970’s. When I was 22 years old I had more success than I could
have ever dreamed of having. We had a ten year long period where
we did well in America, Europe and Japan. Now, a lot of people
see us as a cult band in a lot of areas. We have become very
refined in what we do; we are very slick. I think that is the
‘elegant’ side of the title. The ‘stealth’ thing comes because
we don’t get a lot of coverage from the media. You started out
this interview by saying how you had never covered us on your
website. That’s fine but in a way, I’m kind of digging that
because I’ve got nothing to prove to myself, and the band has
done everything, really. What we can afford to do these days is
live a very rock star style life but do it very much under the
radar. We do what we do well, we get around the planet and we
put out DVDs and CDs but you’ve got to search for it, hence the
name.
Originally, I wanted to do a very rock kind of sleeve and we
were looking at pictures of stealth bombers and things. I was
working with this young designer and he said, “No, no, no, look
at it another way: Butterflies.” I was like, “Butterflies? That
is not nearly rock enough.” He came up with the design and he
explained to me the way he saw it. He took the idea of elegant
stealth and a butterfly sums it up perfectly. They just fly
around and sometimes one will just come up to you and land on
your shoulder and you will go, “Wow, how amazing is that.” I
thought it was a great metaphor for the band. I’m very
comfortable in our skin right now, as a band. It has been a long
haul. We get around in a stealth manner and, hopefully, we do it
in an elegant manner.
Jeb: I looked at live pictures of you on your website today
and you were smiling in all of them.
Andy: Where that comes from is from working. I am not
sweating the small stuff. Writers have to keep active and I am
doing that, which is a wonderful thing. I like to keep busy and
get down in the dirt and meet the fan base because they are the
ones that make it all happen. It is such a joy to get out there.
These days you can get a lot closer to the fans than you used to
be able to because there are no pretensions anymore. You meet
some wonderful people out there.
Jeb: I have heard that you made your first electric guitar.
Is that true?
Andy: I made a couple of guitars and I made them on the
dining room table. The first few years Wishbone was in existence
I played a homemade guitar. We were poor. In the late ‘60’s it
was hard to even buy good gear. We take it for granted these
days that you can go out and buy a Fender guitar. We were making
our amplifiers and our guitars. I think that is where the
passion and commitment to it all comes from. When you fixate on
a guitar at age 13 it is very powerful mojo but when you make
the thing then it is something else.
My son went to Africa and started drumming with people there.
He said one of the prerequisites to being a drummer that plays
drums for the tribe, which is a big honor, is to, when you ‘re
like seven years old, go out and kill the antelope so you can
get the skin for your drumhead. You chop down the right kind of
tree and hollow the tree out and set that skin over the trunk
and then, and only then, can you take on the position of
learning how to play drums. He said when he was there studying
drumming, he’s a pretty good drummer, he was a Berklee school
drummer at that time, who had a scholarship from Zildijan…he
said when he was learning these African rudiments, and he would
get it wrong, these kids, who were seven, eight and nine, were
beating the rhythms into his back. I thought about that and I
realized that if you’re a guitar player and you want to know how
the bloody thing works, then the best thing to do is to make
one. I feel blessed and fortunate that I went down that road, as
even now I love hanging out with guitar makers.
Jeb: You play many types of guitars but you are most famous
for playing a Flying V. Why the V?
Andy: When I made enough money to buy a new guitar, I bought
two V’s. It wasn’t a popular guitar; it was a dog, really.
Fender had come out with the cool guitars with the cool names
like Stratocaster. Gibson was really struggling to come up with
something to compete with them. I went to a music store in
London and there were two of them, which had been imported from
the States, both were still in their packing cases and they were
from 1966 or 1967. This was 1972, they were brand new guitars
that had never been played. I picked one of them up and I was a
really skinny kid back in those days. In English terms, I was
about eight and a half stones, which translates to about 120
pounds. I picked up this guitar, which was huge compared to my
size and I loved the way it looked. When I started playing it, I
was really taken with it, as it had so much vibrancy to it. The
Flying V’s really have a unique sound, as they have a lot of
wood in the body.
I bought the guitars and started playing them onstage. They
were quite unwieldy but being so angular myself, I sort of
wrapped myself around them. Basically, I kind of became one with
the guitar. I used to balance the thing on my knee and it became
part of the onstage mojo. I’ve played many different guitars
over the years but the V is the one that I’ve always come back
to.
Jeb: Talk about the twin lead sound that Wishbone Ash did.
You had the Allman Brothers at the same time as you. Later you
had Thin Lizzy and Iron Maiden doing it but Wishbone Ash was
different. Do you take credit for being the first band to
specialize in harmony, twin lead guitar playing?
Andy: In a way, I do. We’ve influenced bands. What made us
different was that we were English. We discovered the Allmans
when we came to America and we were put on the same bill as they
were. They were more of a southern thing whereas we approached
it from an English, folk, blues background. The thing that set
us apart from bands like Lizzy and Maiden was that the bass
guitar was the third component. You may not have always been
aware of that. We often had the bass moving in a counterpoint
from the guitars, which would give it added ear candy.
The Allmans and Lizzy would stick with thirds where we would
go fourths and fifths. We were a bit more adventurous than they
were and that gave our sound a little more flavor.
I would say that as soon as we hit on this harmonizing thing
as a group we really couldn’t get enough of it. We were treating
the guitars like a horn section, in a way. We didn’t write it
out on sheet music; we were composing on the fly. We would work
it out and then work with each other. One of the first songs we
wrote was “Blind Eye” and if you listen to the riff in that, it
is a horn section. For example, when Keith Richards wrote
“Satisfaction” he always imagined the main riff was a horn line.
A lot of English bands were loving the stuff coming out from the
States with the horns but they didn’t have the money to carry
around a permanent horn section with them so they would do these
lines on guitars.
Jeb: Did Ritchie Blackmore help Wishbone Ash get a record
deal?
Andy: In a roundabout way he did. One of the early gigs we
got was supporting Deep Purple. One day I was setting my gear up
while he was sound-checking. He would play a riff and I would
cheekily copy the riff. We started this “Dueling Banjo’s” thing.
He looked over his shoulder like, “Who the hell is this guy?” He
came out and watched our show. Afterwards, he came up and said,
“You guys were great. Do you have a recording deal because you
should have one.” He gave us the name of the producer Derek
Lawrence, who produced their first single, “Hush.” We called
Derek and he hooked us up with Decca, who became MCA. The next
thing we knew we were signing with the label out of LA, which
was unheard of in those days. We had an American manager who
really wanted us to be an international act.
Jeb: Are you talking about Miles Copeland?
Andy: Yes, Miles Copland, who went on to manage the Police
and REM. We were probably his first act that he ever signed.
One of the first acts we opened for on tour was another Decca
act called the Who, which was very cool. We went straight into
stadium rock. MCA tuned out to be a very good label for us. We
went to Atlantic for a couple of years but then returned to MCA.
Jeb: Are you still dealing with the “other” Wishbone Ash,
with Martin Turner in it?
Andy: Firstly, we don’t ever refer to that band as “the other
Wishbone Ash,” I will have to stop you dead in your tracks. We
don’t refer to them as that because Wishbone Ash never broke up.
We have been together since 1969. There are bands like us,
though. Look at Uriah Heep, who you mentioned before, or Jethro
Tull. Mick Abrahams was Jethro Tull’s first guitar player. He
played only on one album. If Mick were to suddenly call his band
Mick Abraham’s Jethro Tull then people would think that was
really cheesy.
In my book, you may have done some wonderful work in the band
but you left. The band has changed over the years. Some former
band members have come out of the woodwork, and have not been in
the band for nearly twenty years and have decided to use that
designation and it has created some confusion. I’ve got nothing
against former band members going out and playing the band’s
music and doing whatever they are going to do but there is a bit
of cynicism in it when you confuse people in that way. It is not
the way it went down.
Jeb: It really takes music away from what music is supposed
to be.
Andy: It is very draining and you end up talking to lawyers
and trademark and copyright people, all of which is very anti
music. I am so pleased that I’ve been able to surmount it and be
able to get on with the job at hand, which is creating
Elegant Stealth. Most people know what the deal is and that
the band has been an ongoing entity and that we’re still on the
circuit. I don’t like to get too involved in it but it can get a
bit dehabilitating.
Jeb: If the DVD, that we talked about earlier, doesn’t show
that Andy Powell and Wishbone Ash are not in it for the right
reasons then you’re blind.
Andy: It’s a real band. When you’ve got three cameras on you
24/7 then you can’t get away from it. You will notice in the
first few shots, we all look a little bit nervous as we had
never been through anything like that. After a few hours, you
start to get into it and you forget that the cameras are there.
Those French filmmakers don’t let you get away with much. If you
look at the French tradition of documentary making, they want to
see it all. They won’t shy away from showing you your worst
side. Overall, once I got into the flavor of it, I must say that
it was great and it is all there, warts and all, and it is as
honest as you can get. You can see me working out chord
progressions and barking out orders. You can see, on the DVD,
that we are just pulling music out of the air in real time. It
is a legacy that I can pass on to my kids. When I’m gone they
can look at this DVD and say, “So that’s how the old bastard did
it.”
Jeb: Did you really see a fan get shot to death in a concert?
Andy: One of our very first dates in Texas was playing an
open-aired show and sure enough there was some kind of an
altercation between a guy and one of the vendors on the
perimeter of the open-air show we were playing. It wasn’t a huge
show but there were a couple of thousand people there. All of a
sudden, we see an entire section of the crowd just move away
from this one area really fast. We didn’t hear the actual shot
but apparently there was an altercation. Believe it or not, I
think it was about a hotdog. It was pretty shocking. We really
only learned the real circumstances about it after the show.
Months later, we put pen to paper and wrote a tribute to the
situation, which we called “Rock n Roll Widow.” That was
‘Welcome to America’ as it was one of our first events. We were
really in the Wild West.
Jeb: Wishbone Ash fans love it when music is discovered from
the past that has never been released. You’ve had this happen a
few times over the years. I have to ask, is there a Holy Grail
for Wishbone Ash fans still in the vault?
Andy: There are a couple of stashes of tapes that were
recorded around the most successful album we ever did, which is
the Live Dates album. A lot of people don’t realize that
we sold more copies of that album than we did of Argus.
There were not a lot of live albums out at the time. You had
the Allman Brothers Live at the Fillmore and you had
Live at Leeds by the Who. Live Dates was done with
the Rolling Stones mobile. It was one of the biggest at the
time. Later on, Peter Frampton came out with his successful live
album but back then it was a small field concerning live albums.
One of these days I’m going to get out the four tracks and
have a listen to them. There could be some gems in there for
sure.
Jeb: Last one: When does Elegant Stealth come out and
where can fans buy it?
Andy: It comes out November 25th and it will be on
Amazon.com and it should be in all the usual outlets. We will
have it for sale at
www.wishboneash.comwhich should be your first port of call. The best
thing to do is to check with the website.
Jeb: Am I wishing too much to hope Wishbone Ash will do a
major USA tour?
Andy: We are going to tour starting in April of 2012. We are
going to tour the entire United States. If you see us touring
then come along and say hello. I would love the chance to meet
you.