A CALL TO ARMS:
AN INTERVIEW WITH BIFF BYFORD OF SAXON
By Jeb Wright
There are few men more iconic to the New Wave of British
Heavy Metal (NWOBHM) than Saxon vocalist Biff Byford. In fact, Biff
epitomizes the sound, look and attitude of the time period. Even his
band’s name, Saxon, fits the mold perfectly. It seems unthinkable that
enough time has passed that Saxon’s next release, Call to Arms,
will be the groups 19th album release – that is until one
looks in the mirror at the bulging belly, the graying mustache and the
thinning hairline. Somewhere along the line it happened, even to us head
bangers…we grew up.
Thankfully, bands like Saxon and other NWOBHM bands,
including Iron Maiden and Def Leppard, grew up with us. Music is one
thing that can be, but not always is, timeless. Saxon, with Call to
Arms, have done what Einstein would say was impossible; they have
stopped the clock from ticking. With the new release, Biff and his band
mates are not worried about Facebook, the Internet, Cell Phones, the
current economic crises or even the pending end of the world in 2012.
Instead, they are focused on their music and cranking out tunes worthy
of their hardcore fans praise. For the 19th time in their
career, they have succeeded in doing just that.
They have done so with class as the American digipak
release for Call to Arms contains the Saxon fans Holy Grail:
Live in Donington 1980 as a bonus disc. Long thought to have been
lost to the annuls of time, the tapes reappeared and have been
remastered with incredible audio results.
Saxon, despite failing to conquer America like some of
their contemporaries, is still very important to the history of Heavy
Metal. They are true rock ‘n’ roll warriors who have survived where most
of their counterparts have faded away. For Saxon, quitting never was a
true option. They are Heavy Metal’s equivalent of the Knights of Round
Table. Loyalty to their fans is of the utmost of importance to them as
they trudge the road to musical bliss.
Saxon have, once again, put out a call to arms to their
fans to join with them as they conquer the land and transform into Gods
of Metal one more time.
Jeb: I can’t believe Saxon is releasing their 19th
studio album. Saxon has written hundreds of songs. The new album retains
that Saxon sound. How do you do that after all this time?
Biff: It has been a long trip. With this album, we
brought in a friend of mine who is really into the old school Saxon. He
wanted to bring in the power that we had in the ‘80’s. We focused on the
performances on the album rather than over producing some things. It is
a good place to be at the moment.
Jeb: Not only does it have that old school power to it,
I think it is an old school album, where you want to listen to the
entire thing in one sitting.
Biff: It starts on a high and goes right through, I
think. The whole concept of the album gives the songs more passion,
really. We concentrated on the song rather than the sound of the song,
if you know what I mean.
Jeb: Saxon came out in 1979 and you basically invented
the New Wave of British Heavy Metal sound.
Biff: It was us and Iron Maiden, really. I suppose we
were the forerunners of that British Metal movement. We wrote about
things that people didn’t usually write about. “Denim and Leather” is a
good example of that. I think we were one of the first bands to write
songs about our audience. I think we brought a different style to the
music; one that was more connected to our fans.
Jeb: Lets talk about some of the songs on the new album.
“Hammer of the Gods” is a great song.
Biff: I think the reason this album is getting some
attention is because of the way we recorded it. It really sounds like
five guys playing in a room -- it sounds like five guys playing in your
room, actually. We wanted to create that sort of thing.
Jeb: A lot of people are emailing in their parts on an
album from around the world.
Biff: I can put my laptop on and watch the guitarist
doing his parts while I’m in Antarctica. We really didn’t want to do
that. We wanted it to be more hands on, in the studio and really go for
it. We actually even left some imperfections in there and I think it
really lends to the retro feel of it.
Jeb: Tell me about the song “Back in ‘79.”
Biff: It is a bit like “Denim and Leather” revisited,
that song. It is a bit like our audience now. What I’m basically saying
is that our audience is the same now as it was back then. You can still
get that connection now. They may be younger or older but there is no
difference at all. It is a song that celebrates our music and our fans.
Jeb: Saxon fans are like Maiden fans or Priest fans.
They love their band.
Biff: Our fans cross over. Maiden fans are Saxon fans
and Saxon fans are Priest fans. I think that is what is making it happen
again.
Jeb: Saxon also still performing with great showmanship
yet your fans relate to you. How do you cross that line between rock
star and fan?
Biff: We didn’t have any sort of preconception of how a
rock star should be. We all sat in awe of Robert Plant and Jimmy Page,
who were the ultimate rock stars. We were more working class. Although,
Zeppelin and Sabbath were working class as well but they were put on big
pedestals and worshipped from afar. We like to be worshiped from a near
[laughter]. We were more hands on and we were connected. We wrote songs
about our fans. We wrote songs like “Never Surrender” and “Backs Against
the Wall” and our fans could really relate to that. We’ve gone to that
kind of writing, lyrically, a little bit on this album.
Jeb: My favorite at the moment is “Chasing the Bullet.”
Biff: “Chasing the Bullet” is for anybody that works
really hard. We kept writing great songs for this album and we were
really amazed at what we were coming up with. “Hammer of the Gods”
wasn’t written until the week before we recorded it. The snow was really
bad in England and we were really up against it and I thought of a
phrase that really described what we were doing and that was “Chasing
the Bullet” because you’re always playing catch up. I don’t know if
anybody else has ever used that term so we may have invented that. I
think people will be able to relate to it.
Jeb: Lets talk about the artwork for the album Call
to Arms. It is the precursor to the Uncle Sam image that we stole
from England.
Biff: That’s right. I think the artwork, from the 1st
World War, was the first one where the guy pointing was used. It has
been used millions of times around the planet. Stalin even used that in
Russia. It has been used around the world to get young men to go to war.
Jeb: I took it as Saxon saying that to their audience.
Biff: Yeah, it is a call to arms. It works on two
levels. The song, “Call to Arms” is a sad song about a solider writing a
letter home to his loved ones, which is still going on today. On another
respect, it is a call to arms for rock fans. We like the entire concept
of the cover. We’ve done a lot of knights, warriors, snakes and swords
and we wanted to change.
Jeb: Talk about the orchestral version of the song “Call
to Arms.”
Biff: We did an orchestral version of “Crusader” last
year just to see what it sounded like. I thought it sounded fantastic.
We decided to do it with “Call to Arms.” We had a guy do it for us and
we think he did a great job. The record company wanted to save it but I
wanted to put it on the album so people could hear the two versions.
Jeb: You wrote a song called “When Doomsday Comes” for
an upcoming movie titled Hybrid Theory.
Biff: We had that riff and the verse in our bank of
songs. I have a lot of things lying around on tape. The producer wanted
to use a British band, because it is a British film, and he is also a
huge Saxon fan. We got in touch and we invited him down to the studio to
listen to the album. We were thinking he may want to use “Call to Arms”
because the film is about soldiers but he listened to the album and said
he didn’t hear anything he could use. The film is about scientists
messing about with DNA from an alien and a human but like all horror
films, it goes horribly wrong. They send in the crack troops to find
them. We decided to write two songs for them, one was “When Doomsday
Comes” and the other was “No Rest For the Wicked.”
Jeb: That is great luck, as that kind of exposure will
help the album.
Biff: The film goes into production in January. Like all
films they’re waiting for funding and actors to become free. On the last
show, on the last tour, we had a huge party and all the actors and the
director came down. We all got drunk and told everybody we loved each
other and that we will see each other on the film set. We are going to
shoot a video on the film set when it starts, so that will be cool.
Jeb: North America gets a bonus disc with Call to
Arms that fans are going to go nuts over. It is Saxon live at
Donington 1980. Where did that come from?
Biff: One of our old managers called us and said, “I’ve
got seven multi-track tapes in my attic.” He is a typical manager, as he
didn’t give them to us, we had to buy them off him. We bought them and
we took them to London. We were listening to them and one of them was
the Donington show. Everybody thought that was lost. There are a couple
of bootlegs versions that are out there but it is all a bit crappy
sounding and not of good quality. We properly mixed it and decided to
put it out. It hadn’t been played for thirty years when we put it on the
machine. The audience is loud and the cymbals are crystal clear. I
thought it would be a great idea to give it away with the album. I
thought it was such a fantastic thing that we found this recording
because now we don’t have to listen to the bootlegs anymore. The lineup
was Saxon, Judas Priest, Rainbow, Scorpions, Riot and some other bands.
It was the first Metal festival in Europe.
We were touring on Wheels of Steel, which had
gone Gold, meaning we had done 200,000 units in the UK. I don’t think
Rainbow knew what was coming. Judas Priest was touring on British
Steel and we were both high on the charts. When we went onstage it
was like the conquering heroes returning; it was crazy, really. It’s a
pity Iron Maiden wasn’t on the bill as that would have been the ultimate
festival. We wrote a song about it on the next album called “And the
Bands Played On.” It was a great time for us and it really cemented us
to be successful. We did the same festival in Germany three days later.
It was really a big thing back then.
Jeb: Does it ever bother you that Saxon is popular
worldwide, however, you never crossed over to America the way Iron
Maiden or Def Leppard did.
Biff: I can’t really put my finger on why. We toured
with Maiden on the Power & Glory album, which was the biggest
tour we ever did of America. The album was in the Billboard charts and
it did about 600,000 units but we didn’t quite get into the Platinum
Club. We had a huge fan following but we didn’t ever get massive airplay
like a band like Def Leppard did. We did the Crusader tour the
next year with Accept as support and it was very successful as well. We
never did break into the big time like Maiden and Leppard did, which is
a bit sad, really, but that is just how it goes. It’s just a roll of the
dice.
Jeb: As a fan, I’ve always thought it was unfair.
Biff: I suppose it is from your point of view, but from
our point of view we tried our best. I don’t think the team we had at
the time was good enough to be successful like Maiden and Leppard. To be
successful like they were, the team has to be great and everybody has to
be pulling the right way. They have to be willing to put the money back
into the band and reinvest. Maiden had a fantastic team and they went
for it. I think our team was too bothered about the UK and Europe. It
was disappointing because we really came close to breaking America.
That was the same tour that Maiden broke on. It was
great, really. The British thing was becoming massive in America and we
had a great time. The lineup was Maiden, Saxon and Fastway. Fastway had
a big album out at the time but they faded out, as bands do.
Jeb: Wikipedia says that you work part time for the
Amadeus Orchestra. What is that?
Biff: I don’t know where that comes from and I don’t
know what that is, actually. They’ve got the wrong guy. If I am working
with them then the check must be in the post. Maybe I should send them
an invoice. I think that is on Wikipedia and we will have to get that
changed because it’s bullshit.
Jeb: One that is true is your campaign to have people
put Heavy Metal down as their religious preference on the census.
Biff: That was a bit of fun. I don’t know what has
happened with that one, as I don’t think they are finished counting.
They do a huge English census and they want to know all sort of silly
things on it, like how many times you go to the bathroom, and how many
times you wear white shoes; it’s really crazy. Most people just put down
the stupidest things. It is just the rebel in us. Metal Hammer,
in the UK, started doing that and I think it’s all good.
Jeb: You have some dates coming up in America.
Biff: This is the first time in a long time that we have
toured America for an album release. Usually, we end up touring America
long after the album has been out, or before the album comes out. This
one comes out on the 27th of September and the first USA show
is the 28th so they will have to go out and listen to it that
day. I know a lot of hardcore fans have already got it on import. You
also get the Donington bonus CD in America on the digipack.
Jeb: Last one: I want to get Saxon fans excited. You
mentioned that you bought several reels from that manager. Is there more
to come?
Biff: There is some stuff from the Rock the Nations
sessions and there is some stuff from the Power & Glory sessions.
I think there are a couple of tracks on there that we never released and
there are alternate versions of songs too. I think we might have some
good stuff coming out in the future for giveaways, special editions and
things like that.